GNOME 3 vs. Power Off
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| Author | Content |
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| kikinovak May 12, 2012 5:43 AM EDT |
I've been a happy GNOME user for a few years, on Debian and CentOS. I can pin down the exact moment when I decided to switch to KDE4. When I gave Fedora 15 with GNOME 3.0 a spin. After spending an unnerving ten minutes to search for the Power Down button, I opened a console and typed 'shutdown -h now'. Then I wiped the partition, threw the CD into the trash... and migrated to Debian Squeeze/KDE4. Never looked back since. |
| gus3 May 12, 2012 6:17 AM EDT |
Quoting:After spending an unnerving ten minutes to search for the Power Down buttonYou mean the one on your system's case disappeared? Okay, if it didn't disappear, did you test it? |
| number6x May 12, 2012 8:23 AM EDT |
I had the same experience when I first tested gnome 3 shell. I also issued a shutdown at the cli. I filed a bug report. At the very least, a tool tip should nave informed the user to use the <alt> key. Ideally, power off should be a default, not a modified option. I should have known then what a train wreck gnome shell would turn out to be. It is one of the most opinionated and poorly thought through pieces of software I have ever used. |
| Khamul May 12, 2012 1:39 PM EDT |
Not even Apple treats their users with the contempt and disdain that the Gnome developers do. |
| kikinovak May 12, 2012 8:52 PM EDT |
@gus3 : My company (http://www.microlinux.fr) installs Linux networks in schools, public libraries, town halls, and the likes. If I start to wonder where the heck the shutdown button is hidden on my desktop, this means that I'll have at least fifty users who will phone me because they can't find it neither. Me, I *do* happen to shutdown the odd Debian LAN server by pressing the Power button on the case, when I don't SSH into it, and because I know acpid is installed and will properly take care of it. On the other hand, expecting a user to shutdown a desktop system by merely pressing the Power Down button on the system case is just stupid. I guess you won't agree with me on that point, and you will probably count yourself as a member of the Happy Few using GNOME3. |
| gus3 May 13, 2012 5:54 AM EDT |
@kikinovak, acutally I use unadorned Sawfish, and I have reconfigured my ACPI handler to "telinit 3" in response to the power button event. (The explanation is in another thread, which I can't find at the moment... oh, caitlyn? Do you remember where it was?) You're partially right about me considering it stupid, in the typical usage. The opposite, GUI-only shutdown, is a holdover from the Windows 95 days and AT standard PC's. "What do you mean, I click the Start button to stop the system?" As with so much else on desktop computing, first we had APM, then ACPI, hacked into BIOS and requiring the system to leave first 32-bit mode, and now 64-bit mode, et cetera, one layer of cruft on another. As you put it on your homepage:  But now that I have given it 24 hours of thought, I realize that you're exactly right on this: there are usage cases in which the hardware power button is disconnected, or otherwise inaccessible, meaning the GUI is, by design, the only means of shutting down the system. Hiding the on-screen Shutdown is another sad example of the GNOME 3 designers/developers getting it wrong. |
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