Well is it?
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| Author | Content |
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| fewt Nov 30, 2011 12:32 PM EDT |
Yes. EOM |
| flufferbeer Nov 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT |
@fewt, Here in the U.S. it's spelled OEM, and I'm certain that major OEM's other than Dell are actually making it a bit HARDER to install Linux. To see why this is so, I think that you should pay a bit more attention to some of the complaints against Macro$uck's promotion of UEFI Secure Boot for Lo$edows 8. No doubt in anyone's mind that M$ keeps OEMs from easily allowing Linux to get on their computers THROUGH ANY MEANS AT M$'S DISPOSAL!! 2c from fb |
| fewt Nov 30, 2011 1:08 PM EDT |
Here in the U.S. it's spelled OEM, and I'm certain that major OEM's other than Dell are actually making it a bit HARDER to install Linux. @flufferbeer - In the U.S. It's spelled EOM, end of message. The question was - Is Linux being taken seriously? The answer is - yes. |
| flufferbeer Nov 30, 2011 1:19 PM EDT |
@fewt, > The question was - Is Linux being taken seriously? > The answer is - yes. Of course we both agree. AAMOF, I think Macro$uck is doing its d@%#est to get the OEMs to lock-out Linux through such tactics as UEFI Secure Boot _BECAUSE_ it takes Linux so seriously!! -fb |
| fewt Nov 30, 2011 1:22 PM EDT |
@flufferbeerQuoting:Of course we both agree. AAMOF, I think Macro$uck is doing its d@%#est to get the OEMs to lock-out Linux through such tactics as UEFI Secure Boot _BECAUSE_ it takes Linux so seriously!! I think we should be less paranoid. Several vendors have already stated publicly that they would include an option to turn it off, and the Linux Foundation is working to ensure UEFI works with Linux distributions too. The sky isn't falling. :D |
| JaseP Nov 30, 2011 1:36 PM EDT |
@fewt... Yeah, but... Those OEMs haven't gone as far as to say that they will permit UEFI secure boot on ALL their shipping systems... I predict a major lockout strategy on special form factors and high performance machines,... Leaving Linux to run of the mill desktops and laptops marketed to the corporate types... No SOUP for YOU!!! No X86 tablet for YOU!!! |
| flufferbeer Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT |
> The sky isn't falling. :D Nah, not yet :D Neither is Macro$uck's efforts to succe$$fully throw the U.S. patent system against its Linux/Android competition. At least so far, pending those OEM companies who keep resisting "deals with the devil" coming straight out from the M$ Borg's ongoing FUD/legal threats! |
| JaseP Nov 30, 2011 2:08 PM EDT |
I'm fairly certain that (the majority of) those Android manufacturers that have cut deals with M$, are ones who also manufacturer systems and devices that run Windoze, as well... And I'm also fairly certain that for every $1 royalty they pay M$ on Android, there's a negative $0.25-$1.00 on their shipping Windoze products. Then, M$ just uses the precedent set to go after or scare the little fish. |
| tuxchick Nov 30, 2011 2:12 PM EDT |
No, it's MOE. And Larry and Curly. |
| lcafiero Nov 30, 2011 2:41 PM EDT |
That's right, tuxchick. Nyuk nyuk nyuk. Woo woo woo woo woo! Sincerely . . . Larry, the stooge in the middle. |
| ColonelPanik Nov 30, 2011 2:57 PM EDT |
Seriously? LOL |
| tqk Dec 01, 2011 11:31 PM EDT |
It always astonishes me (a FLOSS zealot, by the way) that there's all these FLOSSy web forums out here dissing all over "M$". Why do you even give a rat's ass what's going on in MS-land? What's it to you? I've only needed (been forced by clients) to use it once in the last five years, and that as PuTTY --> Linux logins. Sucks, but I can suffer that easily. Native Win* apps drive me insane in the meantime, but if I can *do my work* in a *nix command line login, feh, not bad at all. I can ignore the rest; it's just a dumb terminal to me. What I'm saying is, fuggedaboutit! Yeah, they like Win*, and we don't. Doesn't mean you have to care about that !@#$. MS can take over the Universe or rot in hell, and neither will affect me nor my computers. UEFI? Oh come on, that's no threat to us. We're jailbreaking cell-phones these days and booting into linux from USB keys, FFS! Stop poking sticks at the poor animals. Leave 'em be. They're of no consequence to us. MS/Win* doesn't matter, and hasn't mattered for close to two decades (for me at least :-). Well, except if you're a gamer, or *NEED* Quickbooks, or Autocad, ... Boring! :-P |
| jacog Dec 02, 2011 11:21 AM EDT |
A few months ago I used Linux to record and edit a Minecraft porn parody. Not even remotely serious. |
| helios Dec 02, 2011 11:38 AM EDT |
Stop poking sticks at the poor animals. Leave 'em be. They're of no consequence to us. They are the most dangerous animal...they are wounded. A company that unarguably changed history, regardless of their tactics, is now almost reduced to the role of Patent Troll in order to placate stockholders. I would say one needs to keep a firm boot on the throat of this beast until it poses no threat to anyone. Right now, both Google and Microsoft have their "seconds" fighting their battles for them in order to keep their hands clean. Inevitably they will have to square off themselves. That court battle, no matter how drawn out, will either way change the landscape of software and computing in general. We need to insure that MS is as weak and ineffectual as possible before they step into the ring. |
| JaseP Dec 05, 2011 11:04 AM EDT |
I've gotta agree with Ken here... Do I care what M$ does?!?! If you mean, "what is m$ doing these days?" ... Not really,... but when they invade my "turf," preventing me from doing what I want with my computer(s), or from running my preferred OS on the form factor I want, then I start to care. |
| fewt Dec 05, 2011 11:19 AM EDT |
Quoting:They are the most dangerous animal...they are wounded. A company that unarguably changed history, regardless of their tactics, is now almost reduced to the role of Patent Troll in order to placate stockholders. Hmm, while their stock has been flat for the last few years (glad I don't own any), I have to disagree. They still have two cash cow products - Windows and Office. I don't see them being wounded at-all, or dying anytime soon. With that though, our community could stand to grow up a little. All this petty name calling is stupid. Want us to be taken seriously? If our community stopped acting like little angry children, we would be. |
| helios Dec 05, 2011 2:19 PM EDT |
From a PR perspective, they are most certainly "wounded". There are stockholders and directors calling for the resignation of Ballmer and they have completely failed in the tablet market, just like they are failing in the phone market. Sure they have obscene cash reserves but public perception is everything. Even my most staunch MS Enterprise customers are grumbling about Windows 7 not being the desktop savior it was supposed to be and MS office, to them, has become a convoluted mess. Two fortune 500 companies I contract with are test driving Libre Office as we speak to see if it can't clear some of the muddied waters. Our behavior as a community could surely use an injection of maturity, no doubt but any kerfufles that take place within are well off the radar of public scrutiny. We'll only be taken seriously when our product is put in front of the consumer and marketed as a viable product. Our arguments are largely teapot tempests and the public at large is unaware of them or their basis. They have little or nothing to do with being taken seriously. |
| fewt Dec 05, 2011 5:24 PM EDT |
@helios - From a PR perspective, I would agree. I don't think "Windows" or "Office" are tarnished as a household name though. Windows 7 hasn't gotten much bad press that I've noticed, but to be fair I haven't been looking. My experience with it, it is a pretty good platform if you are accustomed to operating like a Windows user would operate. I missed dual clipboards, alt left / middle drag, lots of little things, but the OS itself, it's fine. |
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