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| nikkels Feb 08, 2011 11:50 PM EDT |
The tittle is clearly chosen to attract attention.
Attention to what ... ?
They are changing hosts, and there are a few difficulties which will take a few days to strike out. Big deal ! |
| Steven_Rosenber Feb 09, 2011 1:11 AM EDT |
I remember PCLinuxOS having quite a bit of momentum around 2007-08, then not so much in 2009-10. Shows you how quickly the Linux world moves. |
| ComputerBob Feb 09, 2011 1:29 AM EDT |
It seems to me that, based on what Texstar said, it *could* be a big deal. Time will tell. Distros that revolve around one man scare me. |
| tracyanne Feb 09, 2011 1:53 AM EDT |
Quoting: Distros that revolve around one man scare me. What, like Knoppix. |
| nikkels Feb 09, 2011 3:22 AM EDT |
>>>>>>>>It seems to me that, based on what Texstar said, it *could* be a big deal. Time will tell. If you follow the forum posts, written and/or answered by texstar, and you take every thing serious,.......... :-) Same about my posts...enough to lock me up. Doesn't mean I am insane |
| jdixon Feb 09, 2011 7:29 AM EDT |
> Distros that revolve around one man scare me. The oldest existing Linux distribution revolves around one man. |
| pmpatrick Feb 09, 2011 8:27 AM EDT |
Nothing to see here; don't bother reading. I'm sure Linus Torvalds has had days were he's said, "This kernel is becoming a major pain in the ass." That's all Texstar said with regard to PCLOS and from that you get this sensationalist headline. Don't feed this type of reporting with a page hit. The more you feed it with page hits, the more you will get. |
| ComputerBob Feb 09, 2011 9:16 AM EDT |
Quoting:What, like Knoppix. Do I really have to explain my comment? |
| montezuma Feb 09, 2011 9:31 AM EDT |
It is interesting to see the two different models in the linux world. One based on community (eg Debian/Ubuntu) and the other on the vision and energy of one individual like PCLinuxOS, Knoppix and Slack. In the end though it is all linux and shares so much in common that a dead distro makes not a lot of difference to users. Some inconvenience no doubt but not a disaster at least for experienced users. |
| gus3 Feb 09, 2011 1:28 PM EDT |
Slackware has some experience at being committee-managed from the outside. When Patrick Volkerding had a health scare back in 2004, maintenance of already-released packages was picked up voluntarily by a team in Brazil (IIRC), so that Slackware users could still benefit from upstream security updates. It was unofficial, but sufficient until Patrick's health recovered. |
| jdixon Feb 09, 2011 1:35 PM EDT |
> Slackware has some experience at being committee-managed from the outside. Yes, continuing support was managed without a hitch. The questions are whether any new versions would be released, and if so for how long. Hopefully it be quite a while before we have to find out. |
| Steven_Rosenber Feb 09, 2011 3:33 PM EDT |
From what I understand, there is a team working on Slackware. It's not just PV. |
| bigg Feb 09, 2011 4:28 PM EDT |
"From what I understand, there is a team working on Slackware. It's not just PV." Yes, Robby Workman and others do a lot of the work. Look at how the transition to KDE 4 was handled. My understanding is that most of the effort came from the community. Something else that makes Slackware kind of safe is that it's just a base. It's not like Debian where there are a mountain of packages to build and patches to many of those packages. PV has an unusual ability to release without bugs, so that might not be replaceable. |
| jdixon Feb 09, 2011 5:17 PM EDT |
> PV has an unusual ability to release without bugs, so that might not be replaceable. Yes. While a lot of community work goes into each Slackware release, Patrick is the cornerstone. Most of the work getting 64 bit Slackware ready was done by the community also. But again, Patrick is the one with the vision of what Slackware should be. I'm not sure that can be replaced. And if it is replaced, will it still be Slackware? But, as I said, hopefully it'll be quite a while before we have to find out. |
| vainrveenr Feb 09, 2011 8:40 PM EDT |
Quoting:Distros that revolve around one man scare me.Yet according to the DistroWatch 30-days HPD ranking found at http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=4 :: Puppy Linux is Page Hit Ranked (=PHR'd) 8th and is maintained by Barry Kauler PCLinuxOS is PHR'd lucky(?) 13th and is maintained by lead developer Bill "Texstar" Reynolds --- this PHR somewhat contrary to Linton's claim of it already becoming "firmly entrenched in the top 10 of Distrowatch PHR"! Slackware is PHR'd 17th and is maintained by Patrick Volkerding (PV) KNOPPIX is PHR'd 24th and is maintained by Klaus Knopper MEPIS is PHR'd 29th and is maintained by Warren Woodford Major point here is that the success of any given distro -- even as measured by these PHR stats -- may be less to do with the "one man" that revolves around the distro than its success due to that person's continually-evolving vision along with the community that so actively supports (and contributes to) that person's vision. |
| ComputerBob Feb 10, 2011 9:47 AM EDT |
@vainrveenr - In the past, I was a Mepis user for a year or so, and a Puppy user for several months, including installing and customizing it on many PCs that had been donated to a local charity. But I still stand by my original statement, which you quoted. ;) |
| JaseP Feb 10, 2011 10:52 AM EDT |
Any package or distro that is maintained by a small handful of developers is at risk of developer "mortality." I haven't heard a lot regarding ReiserFS development, for example (has anyone picked up the ball?!?!). The neat thing about Open Source is, that as long as the source code can still be found, someone can restart (or fork) a project. Which reminds me, does anyone have any source code for the device drivers of the Hanbit PepperPad 3? I can't find it anywhere. If Sony America can only be so lucky, regarding that kind of lost info on the net... |
| helios Feb 10, 2011 11:36 AM EDT |
I believe Texstar took an entire year off for health/personal reasons and PCLinuxOS still thrived...or at least survived. While I haven't always gotten along with Bill or his community, I have to admire the tenacity and loyalty of their users. I used PCLinuxOS for a number of years ans while I don't use it anymore, I still visit it from time to time to see what they are up to. Not using PCLinuxOS on our kids machines has more to do with our ability to easily remaster Ubuntu than it does with PCLinuxOS not being a good distro. And as an aside...the Fujitsu lifebook series are a nightmare to install Linux on...the ones with the SiS chipsets in particular. PCLinuxOS is the only Linux distro we could get to work on those doorstops. I've often wondered as to why. Maybe a "one man show" can focus on small but important issues as this where a larger entity isn't as concerned. |
| bigg Feb 10, 2011 11:38 AM EDT |
Quoting:Not using PCLinuxOS on our kids machines has more to do with our ability to easily remaster Ubuntu than it does with PCLinuxOS not being a good distro. What tool do you use to remaster Ubuntu? I tried, but ended up using PCLinuxOS, because that was so simple. |
| helios Feb 10, 2011 11:48 AM EDT |
We've trained our volunteers in the use of UCK. While I am familiar with Remastersys and various other tools, UCK gives my folks a simple gui and the ability at add and remove applications and features in an easy-to-use GUI. Remember that our volunteers are not "geeks" but just simple folks that want to help. And to be honest, there are a ton of packages available that we need in the Ubuntu/derivatives that are not included in PCLinuxOS. |
| bigg Feb 10, 2011 12:21 PM EDT |
Thanks! I for some reason didn't find any information about UCK the last I checked. This might be what I need. |
| Steven_Rosenber Feb 10, 2011 12:37 PM EDT |
I remember the PCLinux OS 2007 release very well. It seemed like the only thing people wrote about at the time. And it was good. I finally relented, burned the 2007 CD and ran it for awhile. Even with KDE it was snappier than you'd think. And the mixture of RPM and Synaptic (did they also use apt? I seem to think so) really did work. They even had (and still have, I think) a great PDF "magazine" about the distro. I eventually tried many of the PCLinuxOS spins (GNOME, Fluxbox, "light" KDE). But things really did quiet down for PCLinuxOS, and momentum for Ubuntu really ramped up. It's funny that PCLinuxOS was basically Texstar and whoever his minions were/are, and they were doing as well or better on a technical level that Canonical-backed Ubuntu, at least in many people's opinion. They got a lot from Mandriva, as Ubuntu does from Debian. But they put out a great distro. Ubuntu's also great in its own way. They kind of lost me by shoving so much "alpha"-grade stuff (Me Menu, Ubuntu One, dancing window buttons) into what I hoped would be a more solid and conservative LTS (10.04). I'm off-topic ... this would get me a good slap across the face in Daemon Forums ... If you love KDE, Slackware is great. I'm not eager to bolt on GNOME Slackbuilds just to get away from KDE. Back when I ran Slackware 12, I used Robby Workman's binary packages to round out my system. Whatever the benefits of Slackware-style package management are, I prefer the way most every other distro (and BSD project) does it. |
| jdixon Feb 10, 2011 12:52 PM EDT |
> Whatever the benefits of Slackware-style package management are, I prefer the way most every other distro (and BSD project) does it. Then try OpenSuSE. When it started it was essentially Slackware with KDE and rpm. |
| hkwint Feb 10, 2011 6:26 PM EDT |
So I guess it's my turn to mention both Gentoo and Sabayon then, as all of ya are to busy with the pre-compiled "toy-distro's"! After Gentoo's BDFL went, Gentoo's "government" nearly died. But the project is still alive and there are 235 active contributors, even though lots of people think it's pretty dead. Case in point: Sabayon - also mostly a one-man effort - is on Distrowatch at #6. Even while Fabio suffered personal losses, he still kept going almost every day and night. Which means it is Distrowatch's most popular "one man distro". Even above PCLinuxOS, Puppy, Slackware or whatever you kids are currently running. |
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