Not planning on going back to Ubuntu anytime soon
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| caitlyn Oct 11, 2010 12:45 AM EDT |
You know, my systems are so boring now that I am not running Ubuntu anywhere. They just run without issues. I'll stick with my Slackware derivatives and Red Hat clones. |
| jdixon Oct 11, 2010 10:33 AM EDT |
> You know, my systems are so boring now...with my Slackware derivatives and Red Hat clones. What more can anyone say. :) |
| JaseP Oct 11, 2010 11:39 AM EDT |
Well,... most of my boxes run Ubuntu,... But I think I'm going to stick with Lucid, since it's a long term release. I've never been a big fan of YUM,... One thing that makes me nervous in the press release is that they stay there is a "new installer" that is "easier to use." That usually translates to me as if they removed features (like custom hard drive partitioning). When I tried Maverick (on a Lenovo system I am returning), the feature to name the system was not there... |
| herzeleid Oct 11, 2010 4:41 PM EDT |
My servers have been ubuntu 8.04 LTS for 2 1/2 years now. Verrrry boorring, they just run. never any excitement, ever - unless we have a power failure like the one that recently ruined my 400 day uptimes. |
| Scott_Ruecker Oct 12, 2010 12:51 AM EDT |
Oh sure herzeleid, just go ahead and use Open Source software like it was meant to be used..leave it alone..it just runs for like 400 days, or years..whatever, what fun is that? Fine, be that way, never feeling the urge to upgrade or mess with the settings over and over..I see how you are..;-) |
| herzeleid Oct 12, 2010 3:49 PM EDT |
@Scott - Back in the 90s I had to recompile the kernel with the correct sound blaster parameters in order to have sound and music when playing doom. 10 years later I had to recompile the kernel to add the low latency patches for gaming. Nowadays though it seems like I just take the defaults... maybe I'm getting old... |
| caitlyn Oct 12, 2010 4:01 PM EDT |
That, or Linux has just plain gotten better |
| Scott_Ruecker Oct 12, 2010 4:41 PM EDT |
Its gotten better and you can still tinker to your hearts content..or to the death of the machine you messed with too much. ;-) |
| tracyanne Oct 12, 2010 8:07 PM EDT |
Quoting:.or to the death of the machine you messed with too much. ;-) Been there, done that... |
| Steven_Rosenber Oct 12, 2010 8:56 PM EDT |
That's what backups are for. |
| hkwint Oct 12, 2010 11:10 PM EDT |
Both Linux & Herz have became older I assume... |
| hkwint Oct 12, 2010 11:10 PM EDT |
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| tracyanne Oct 13, 2010 12:14 AM EDT |
neat hkwint in stereo. |
| herzeleid Oct 13, 2010 12:10 PM EDT |
You can say that again! |
| hkwint Oct 13, 2010 4:10 PM EDT |
I'm sorry, my mind didn't $sync;sync;sync I'm afraid. After all, I also became older I guess. |
| caitlyn Oct 13, 2010 5:36 PM EDT |
The alternative to getting older really stinks. I hope to get older for a long time yet. |
| tracyanne Oct 13, 2010 5:56 PM EDT |
One of "my" new Linux users, on the social board I frequent, has just reported a successful upgrade to 10.10 from 10.04, she must have done it last night, my time, as I posted the instructions on what to do to upgrade an LTR to the latest release last night before I went to bed.Quoting:The alternative to getting older really stinks. Yeah there's not much of a future in the alternative, is there. |
| azerthoth Oct 13, 2010 10:38 PM EDT |
just as long is it doesnt catch me sleeping like my grandfather but rather like the passengers in his car, kicking and screaming. (It's the punchline from an old joke that seemed fitting at the moment) |
| gus3 Oct 13, 2010 11:49 PM EDT |
az, I think you got it backwards. |
| caitlyn Oct 14, 2010 12:18 AM EDT |
One of the characters in a Roger Zelazny book (Corwin, in Nine Princes In Amber) said he wanted to die in bed. Not in his sleep, mind you, but he wanted to be crushed to death when an elephant stepped on him while he was having sex with a beautiful young woman. |
| azerthoth Oct 14, 2010 1:06 AM EDT |
hmm, havent read Zelazny in awhile, reading a joint work from Flynn, Pournelle and Niven. Pretty good read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Angels_(science_fiction_... |
| hkwint Oct 14, 2010 10:04 AM EDT |
Yesterday, I saw a short flash of the movie "13 going on 30", or something. I believe the 30-year old woman woke up and was 13 again. So, the probably alternative is, you should believe in Hollywood-fairytales. The Einstein-twins might might have a solution too, but at this moment that's too difficult for me to think about. And BTW, why an elephant? What's romantic about that? (OK, everything better than Steve Ballmer, I have to agree). |
| TxtEdMacs Oct 14, 2010 10:52 AM EDT |
Quoting: [...] everything better than Steve Ballmer [...]But he's the elephant. Making sex better. YBT |
| caitlyn Oct 14, 2010 10:54 AM EDT |
hkwint: I have no idea why Roger Zelazny chose that for his character in a book written around 1970. Considering that Zelazny passed away years ago I doubt we can ever find out. |
| jdixon Oct 14, 2010 11:58 AM EDT |
> Yesterday, I saw a short flash of the movie "13 going on 30", The inverse of that concept was well explored in the movie Big with Tom Hanks playing the main role. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094737/ |
| jdixon Oct 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT |
> Pretty good read. And apparently available as a free download from the Baen Free Library: http://www.baen.com/library/ |
| tracyanne Oct 14, 2010 5:53 PM EDT |
Quoting:Zelazny passed away Is that a strange way of saying died? |
| jdixon Oct 14, 2010 6:32 PM EDT |
> Is that a strange way of saying died? It's a way of saying he died, but there's nothing strange about it, at least not in the US. I'm pretty sure it's common in Britain too. |
| tracyanne Oct 14, 2010 6:58 PM EDT |
wouldn't it be simpler to say died rather than circumlocute? |
| caitlyn Oct 14, 2010 7:10 PM EDT |
Maybe in Australia that is considered circumlocution. In the United States it is simply considered polite. |
| tracyanne Oct 14, 2010 8:54 PM EDT |
In what way is it polite, or any more polite than stating the truth? |
| gus3 Oct 14, 2010 10:01 PM EDT |
How about, it's polite for taking into account the feelings of the bereaved? |
| montezuma Oct 14, 2010 10:28 PM EDT |
How the world sees us Trace: http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-news/australia-worlds... |
| tracyanne Oct 14, 2010 10:57 PM EDT |
dead is dead, no matter how you say it, how does circumlocution change that fact, in what way does it hurt less if you pretend it isn't so? |
| jdixon Oct 14, 2010 10:58 PM EDT |
> In what way is it polite, or any more polite than stating the truth? Since everyone in the US with at least a grade school reading level knows the term, there's absolutely no difference. It's more common than "kicked the bucket", "bought the farm", "left this mortal coil", "departed", and at least a dozen other ways of referring to the same thing. It's considered more polite simply because it's less blunt. |
| jdixon Oct 14, 2010 11:04 PM EDT |
> ...dead is dead, no matter how you say it... Exactly. So the terms you use make no difference whatsoever. Your criticizing it is like my complaining because a Brit used the word torch to refer to a flashlight. |
| caitlyn Oct 14, 2010 11:52 PM EDT |
tracyanne, I am stating the truth. I am saying it in the single most common way used in the United States, a way that is considered polite and respectful. Why on earth are you making an argument out of it?Quoting:dead is dead, no matter how you say itI know some religious people who would strongly argue that point. Thankfully, that is a TOS violation here so it won't happen. |
| jdixon Oct 15, 2010 6:10 AM EDT |
> I am saying it in the single most common way used in the United States... As noted above, from my reading of British authors, I'd say it's fairly common in Britain as well. |
| jacog Oct 15, 2010 7:11 AM EDT |
Same down here at the southern tip of Africa. It's not strange to say "passed away". Of course, we could just all reduce our language to blunt terms, remove any sense of finesse out of our speech and just bark at one another like savages. |
| tracyanne Oct 15, 2010 8:53 AM EDT |
Quoting:Exactly. So the terms you use make no difference whatsoever. So why bother to circumlocute in the first place, why not say it direct. Saying Passed away sounds like you are trying make it sound like the death isn't real. It seems like an insult to peoples intelligence to do that, to me. I can't imagine my father as having passed away, it makes no sense, he's dead, he died (he didn't pass any where, let alone away) from a massive coronary, trying to make his death sound less real doesn't make it so, and it doesn't make it hurt less. |
| jacog Oct 15, 2010 9:05 AM EDT |
So ok... tracyanne. if I handed you a Thesaurus, would you be kind enough to cross out all the synonyms that do not get the tracyanne seal of approval? Your criticism is pointless. The term you are attacking is a common one, and there's no valid basis to attack it. I prefer to say "jump the shark" than "obviously ran out of ideas". I prefer to use words like "meander" or "stroll" rather than "walk". I prefer to say "it was a doddle" or "piece of cake", rather than "it was easy". *insert too many to count examples here* A word could mean the same as another, but contain nuances. Informing someone that their father has "died" is perfectly fine, not impolite, not incorrect. But using a gentler term, implies that you also express empathy. |
| bigg Oct 15, 2010 9:14 AM EDT |
I also remember someone throwing a fit about criticism of Mark Shuttleworth for using gender-exclusive language, on the basis that in Australia, that's the way people talk, which makes it okay. In the US, "passed away" is how we talk. |
| caitlyn Oct 15, 2010 9:45 AM EDT |
There is also an air of intolerance in the whole of turning this into an argument. Saying "passed away" isn't just "finesse." It is more sensitive to those whose lives were touched by the person who died and it is more polite. tracyanne, I get that you don't seem to like sensitive approaches. I also remember you jumping all over me for posting well wishes to everyone in the metaforum because I put them into my own cultural context around a holiday (the Jewish new year) that was being celebrated at the time. The post ended up being locked even though it was nothing more than wishing everyone a good year to follow and despite the fact that I had made such posts without issue in several previous years. tracyanne, not everyone sees the world the way you do. Not everyone here is from the same cultural background you are. Not everyone communicates the same way you do. LXer has a diverse community of participants who are going to bring their own background and viewpoints to the discussion. Why attack the language someone uses when it is simply different from your own? |
| caitlyn Oct 15, 2010 9:51 AM EDT |
I should add one thing further so that you understand where I am coming from. I knew Roger Zelazny personally. We met at a science fiction convention in 1978. He encouraged and even offered to edit my writing. I was unpublished at the time and all of 18 years old and his help was invaluable. We met again twice more in the 1980s and did correspond. I'm not just a fan of Roger Zelazny's writing. I admire the man and am forever grateful for what he did for me. I did publish a little fiction under a pseudonym and I believe Roger made that possible for me. No, I'm not sharing the name I used because looking back at the writing it seems hopelessly weak to me in retrospect. I'm not much of a fiction writer. I lack the imagination and inspiration great writers of fantasy and science fiction like Roger Zelazny have. Non-fiction works better for me. So, yes, "passed away" is more respectful and I used it out of my great personal respect for the man. Is there really anything wrong with that? |
| montezuma Oct 15, 2010 11:15 AM EDT |
As an Australian expat in the US this debate is fun to watch. I agree with both sides. It certainly is sensitive to peoples feelings to refer to things politely, respectfully or euphemistically (depending on your viewpoint). It can also describe well a complex set of feelings. On the other hand if you use indirect language to hide from the reality or truth of a given situation you are also not showing respect. Rather than "barking like a savage" you can honestly and directly face a given human situation which while painful at first in the end helps in healing. Which approach is better is not clear and probably culturally determined. |
| tuxchick Oct 15, 2010 12:03 PM EDT |
Montezuma, you're right that on an international forum cultural differences can cause some confusions. But people of honest good will work them out and make allowances, and when someone spells it out clearly like Caitlyn and others did in this thread that takes care of any alleged cultural differences. |
| azerthoth Oct 15, 2010 12:55 PM EDT |
It's not like we haven't had to question what some particularly Australian slang meant before when you dropped it on us TA. We didn't argue with your use of it, only clarification of what it meant. If a turn of phrase is unclear to you, don't get 'your knickers in a twist' over it. Ask and move on, as we have done for you you can do for us. It's called courtesy, which is typically preferable to intolerance. |
| Scott_Ruecker Oct 15, 2010 3:06 PM EDT |
Hi everyone, its me. This thread has gotten way way off track so for the good of my mood and the reputation of LXer I am closing it to any further posting. I have contacted those that need to be contacted regarding this. Courtesy is preferable to intolerance Azer which is why I am closing this thread for the courtesy of all of LXer's readers. Scott |
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