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| tuxchick Sep 19, 2010 8:28 PM EDT |
Like that won't annoy practically every Ubuntu user on the planet. |
| tracyanne Sep 19, 2010 8:40 PM EDT |
As an Ubuntu user I can't see why it would annoy any one. I regularly get emails from iPhone users, where it says "Sent from my iPhone", that doesn't bother me, it wouldn't bother me to get emails that say "Sent from Ubuntu", and it wouldn't bother me that my emails go out with such a message. |
| tracyanne Sep 19, 2010 8:49 PM EDT |
On the other hand I find this much more annoying.Quoting:Notice of Service Expiration Trend Micro Hosted Email Security provides filtering and delivery of your email. Due to an expired license, the service will stop processing and delivering your messages anytime soon. For questions and concerns about email security and availability, please contact your mail administrator. |
| tuxchick Sep 19, 2010 8:50 PM EDT |
If you read the article you would see a number of Ubuntu users who are annoyed by it. |
| tracyanne Sep 19, 2010 8:52 PM EDT |
I did read it, I didn't bother to check the comments. I still can't see what their problem is. In fact I thought it was such a good Idea I went ahead and implemented it myself on my machine |
| Steven_Rosenber Sep 19, 2010 10:54 PM EDT |
Don't you see those e-mail sigs from hard-core geeks that promote text-only e-mail that's free of HTML? |
| tracyanne Sep 19, 2010 11:29 PM EDT |
@ Steven I've never noticed any, but I don't get emails from hard core geeks. |
| tuxchick Sep 19, 2010 11:34 PM EDT |
Quoting: I did read it, I didn't bother to check the comments. I still can't see what their problem is. Good thing you don't bother yourself with reading why there are objections, it makes it easier to form opinions when you're not burdened with information. Do you understand the difference between making that sig yourself, and having it forced on you whether you want it or not? |
| tracyanne Sep 19, 2010 11:51 PM EDT |
Quoting:Good thing you don't bother yourself with reading why there are objections, it makes it easier to form opinions when you're not burdened with information. I had all the information I needed, to form an opinion of what I liked, reading the comments did not change that opinion, it merely informed demonstrated to me that there are a lot of ignorant people out there. Quoting: Do you understand the difference between making that sig yourself, and having it forced on you whether you want it or not? I was hoping it was already implemented, I was a liilte annoyed that it wasn't. Oh well I've done it myself now. No I see no problem with it at all. 5 minutes after 10.10 gets released, assuming they go ahead with this, there will be a million (sorry I exagerate) a dozen or more articles telling people how to switch it off, just like all the silly how to get Mono off your Ubuntu lest your pink bits turn black and fall off. |
| tracyanne Sep 20, 2010 12:00 AM EDT |
Like so many Ubuntu has taken away my freedom storms we see, this one too lives in a teacup. Any one who doesn't like what Canonical have done are free to move to another Linux Distribution, or simply change the settings to one they prefer, as I've done..... moved the window decoration buttons back to the RH side, removed Mono completely to get rid of F-Spot, then reinstalled Mono using a different repository so that I can better track the Mono updates (which you can't on standard Ubuntu because of dependencies), and a bunch of other stuff, to make my desktop suit me. It's Linux and Free Open Source Software. That's Free as in Freedom. |
| tuxchick Sep 20, 2010 12:02 AM EDT |
Ignorant people? Nice, real nice TA. |
| tracyanne Sep 20, 2010 12:04 AM EDT |
yes ignorant. not stupid, because clearly they are not. |
| mahousaru Sep 20, 2010 5:09 AM EDT |
I like it! I've got sent from my N900 already, which I change to sent from my iPhone, when I want to act like an asshat :D Didn't think to use my sig to advertise the Linux distro I am currently using! |
| r_a_trip Sep 20, 2010 5:37 AM EDT |
Any one who doesn't like what Canonical have done are free to move to another Linux Distribution, or simply change the settings to one they prefer... All of that is very possible, but where does it end? Where does all the after installation sanitization stop being a minor nuisance and become a showstopper? Despite all the money Mark S. poored into Ubuntu, this distribution shouldn't be above and beyond criticism. Of course Canonical and Ubuntu can put whatever they want in the distribution, but that doesn't mean all users should just accept it and shut up because they got the thing for free. The way I see it, Canonical is putting more and more crapware in their distro. While a little sig line in the e-mail may seem innocent and inoccous, it can become a nightmare pretty soon if everybody starts doing it. We are already swamped in superflous information, screaming for attention. Who cares that an e-mail was sent using Ubuntu? Why point out that fact? It's Canonical abusing your personal e-mail for marketing purposes. It just sets a bad precedent for FOSS. We all know what junk proprieatry email "services" put in there. I can just see what e-mail will look like in the future sent from FOSS systems: Sent: 20-09-2010 To: r_a_trip@mailadres.com Subject: How are you doing? -------------------------------------------------- Hey, Just sent this mail to see how you are doing. Your pal, < name > -------------------------------------------------- Sent from Ubuntu Sent with Evolution Sent using Gnome Sent using Webkit Verified by Clam-AV Sent using Linux 2.6.32 Sent using Unicode Images provided through lib-JPEG Spellcheck delivered by Aspell Sent with the help of Vala Sent utilizing IMAP E-mail made possible by the GNU project Sponsered by OMGUbuntu Protected by OIN Safety through the Microsoft Open specification Promise Ubuntu ranking provided by Distrowatch Not a pretty sight, is it? |
| tracyanne Sep 20, 2010 5:53 AM EDT |
ROFL |
| chalbersma Sep 20, 2010 7:06 AM EDT |
well played ra |
| KernelShepard Sep 20, 2010 9:03 AM EDT |
Having empathy for both sides of the argument, I think some people are making a mountain out of a mole hill on this issue. I liked how one commenter on the feature request pointed out that "Sent with my iPhone" and "Sent with my Blackberry" were often interpreted as apologies by the receiver for having received such a terse, misspelled reply which can feel rather insulting if you write a lengthy email to your boss which requires more than: Quoting: Wat 4 me @ ofic will b thre son 2 discus I found that I agreed with him and thought it was funny that other people felt the same way. Like the iPhone and Blackberry signatures, Ubuntu's signature in Evolution is meant for free advertising and it doesn't really hurt anybody. Maybe it'll still be interpreted as apologetic, but that likely depends on the Ubuntu user ;-) I think that a lot of people who oppose this are probably people who are upset with Canonical over their limited contributions to Linux/GNOME. Fair enough, but let's not mask it behind other issues if that is the case. |
| ComputerBob Sep 20, 2010 9:10 AM EDT |
I don't like it because I think it gives the impression that "free and open source" means "advertiser-supported." And I avoid using advertiser-supported software. I prefer the way GIMP works. When I create images in GIMP, it gives me the option to state that they were created in GIMP in each image's meta data - it doesn't emblazen that fact on my completed images themselves. |
| TxtEdMacs Sep 20, 2010 9:23 AM EDT |
Regular Army:Quoting:Sent from Ubuntu Sent with Evolution Sent using Gnome Sent using Webkit Verified by Clam-AV Sent using Linux 2.6.32 Sent using Unicode Images provided through lib-JPEG Spellcheck delivered by Aspell Sent with the help of Vala Sent utilizing IMAP E-mail made possible by the GNU project Sponsered by OMGUbuntu Protected by OIN Safety through the Microsoft Open specification Promise Ubuntu ranking provided by DistrowatchI like it. Informative, when does it start? YBT |
| bigg Sep 20, 2010 10:12 AM EDT |
Quoting:Sent using Linux 2.6.32 Needs to be "Sent using GNU/Linux 2.6.32" to give proper credit. |
| tuxchick Sep 20, 2010 10:34 AM EDT |
Gotta love the arguments in favor-- 'because other annoying companies do it, so should we! And it's all about freedom-- the freedom to spend all kinds of time removing crapware, just like Windows! Spammers have proven that opt-out is better than opt-in! Anyway I think it's cool so everyone must be forced to use it! I cannot possibly just do it myself, or try to persuade other people that it's a cool thing to do, because everything I think is cool must be forced on everyone!' Might as well expand this to all applications, and make sure the attributions are complete just like ra_trip demonstrated-- let's have complete and lengthy attributions in all documents created by office suites, graphics apps, audio production, movie software-- at 30 frames per second that is literally thousands of awesome ads in a single movie! At that rate of spamming FOSS will conquer the entire galaxy in no time! Then we can brand users with tattoos! My head spins with the possibilities. Once we decide to emulate companies like Apple and Microsoft, and ignore unpleasant concepts like 'consent' and 'respect for customers and users' it all becomes clear. |
| gus3 Sep 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT |
What about security implications? I mean, let's announce, IN CLEAR TEXT, to anyone who can sniff the traffic, what system we're using on what IP address. It'll be such a time-saver to the hackers! Dilettantes, the lot of them. |
| azerthoth Sep 20, 2010 11:57 AM EDT |
In defense of TA's position, the adage that's applied to any distro, if you don't like it find another one that does do what you like. At a minimum does fewer things that you dislike. That being said, they are excersizing arbitrary dev freedom at the expense and dislike of what appears to be more than just a few people. Ubuntu though seems to not give too much of a rip about that though, their jobsian approach to their distro is getting blatantly oppressive. That any geek worth their salt can undo it is not the question, can an average computer user undo it easily ... not so much methinks. I'm with trip and TC on this. So much stupidity in such a small package. Were I an Ubuntoad ... actually I would have left already, but this would be just another straw. I am not, and all I can do about it is make sure that it's not an implemented 'feature' in the distro I am a staffer on. p.s. @trip very funny, I like it. |
| theboomboomcars Sep 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT |
Quoting:their jobsian approach to their distro is getting blatantly oppressive. Isn't this statement redundant? |
| caitlyn Sep 20, 2010 4:18 PM EDT |
Well... it seems Ubuntu/Canonical do respond to the user community occasionally. From TuxMachines: "Well that was quick. The "Sent from Ubuntu" default email signature for Evolution in Ubuntu 10.10 has been removed - as you can see in the latest Evolution package changelog. The update should land in the Ubuntu 10.10 repositories in a couple of hours." |
| ComputerBob Sep 20, 2010 4:44 PM EDT |
All honor and praise to Glorious Leader! |
| tracyanne Sep 21, 2010 3:01 AM EDT |
Quoting:their jobsian approach to their distro In actual fact the Jobsian approach would have been to simply implement it, and not bother telling anyone, and especially not the users of the system, whom they hold in contempt, and to make it so that it was impossible, or very difficult to turn off. The Ubuntu approach is to tell everyone, and if they do implement it, make it easy to turn off, and if there is sufficient noise from the vocal minority, implement it as an option, rather than as the default, as they have now done. The Ubuntu approach is a million miles away from the Jobsian approach. |
| Steven_Rosenber Sep 21, 2010 3:46 PM EDT |
You'd think that Canonical/Ubuntu would learn to bring these things up before they implement them and gauge the reaction before they proceed. This is another reason why I think Ubuntu should have its regular releases, every six months if they so choose, but also have a rolling development branch that true believers could run and follow like Fedora's Rawhide or Debian Sid. That way Ubuntu could do all this stuff in the development branch, effectively running it up the flagpole, and then decide what will go in the next release and what didn't go over so well with the fanboy nation. |
| herzeleid Sep 21, 2010 4:27 PM EDT |
Quoting: Like that won't annoy practically every Ubuntu user on the planet.Eh? why on earth would that be annoying? I like it. Those those who prefer to choose their own custom .sig will continue to do so, which sort of pours cold water all over the "oh noes ubuntu is trying to control my life" rants :/ |
| gus3 Sep 21, 2010 4:30 PM EDT |
Ubuntu does everything possible to hide Linux. Now Ubuntu users want to hide Ubuntu. Turnabout is fair play. |
| tracyanne Sep 21, 2010 5:48 PM EDT |
Quoting:You'd think that Canonical/Ubuntu would learn to bring these things up before they implement them and gauge the reaction before they proceed. @Steven, they did, that's why all this angst is now being played out on the internet. |
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