What is it about Ubuntu
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| carling Mar 21, 2010 2:02 AM EDT |
What is it about Ubuntu that you think it is the bees knees of Linux distributions, It does not work out of the box, It never has and never will, please give it a rest, Try other none commercial distributions that do work out of the box, which there are many that do, Everything about Ubuntu is hype. When it come to the 3D desktop graphics it needs compiz files to be downloaded and installed, flash player does not work that needs setting up, Page scrolling is jerky with slow refresh rate, Ubuntu 10.4 has more problems than enough, You need to test and write about the distributions that do work out of the box, and stop praising something that's half finished, I forgot Ubuntu's desktop themes have changed and that excites you no end There are several community Linux distributions that put Ubuntu to shame, |
| tracyanne Mar 21, 2010 2:20 AM EDT |
It has worked out of the box for me every time I've installed it. Your point is? |
| tmx Mar 21, 2010 3:50 AM EDT |
From my interpretation, one of the reason linux exists is to give alternatives from closed standards. It is possible you might be referring to Linux Mint which comes with some proprietary media codecs. A moment back I even thought Ubuntu did come with them, until I load it up in Virtualbox and check Synaptic. It really isn't as easy as Ubuntu going around and include hordes of these propriety stuff like Windows does. Even Windows doesn't come with Adobe Flash. I don't think its possible for Ubuntu to include it until its open sourced, if ever. Same with including proprietary 3D drivers. Those things are risky. Seriously though, it takes few clicks to install these things from the software center/package manager. I remembered using a tool called Ubuntu Customization Kit http://uck.sourceforge.net/ that let you add and remove packages from the Ubuntu's iso. It behaves kind of iffy at times, but I mainly used it to remove ...Mono and apps I don't use. However, if you think Ubuntu doesn't comes with enough stuff, you'll be shocked with Fedora, Debian or Archlinux out of the box. PS. I tried Linux Mint for a little. I find it strange that by default it would bypass authentication for apt-get install and start downloading anything right away. |
| TxtEdMacs Mar 21, 2010 9:47 AM EDT |
carling, A modest suggestion, since most posters here have used several distributions and there is a decided lack of fanboisism displayed here, perhaps your post should have been on the cited article. Moreover, if your criteria is working Out of the Box, select the Mac and its associated hardware or Windows [preinstalled and configured] by your OEM until it is crippled by malware either pre-existing or which you add to your system. Why bother us? We are no more than one out of a hundred as it is said so many times by publications that fail to mention the current plaque just happens to be an exclusive Windows flaw, but make no mention of that fact. If you have read any threads here you will have seen the points made above, sometimes a distribution does not work for your hardware or merely a component. You complain about not everything is loaded and ready in Linux, well unless you select a commercial brand [do they still exist?] it is not allowed. So use Windows or the Mac. Hell my son uses Windows on his desktop, recently I have to use a Windows partition to play DVDs, because fewer movies I have selected work on Linux* and even the Windows' media players have problems** that I have not seen previously. If you are writing because you take the term "Linux Domination" literally, it's a joke. A mass migration to Linux is both unlikely and probably undesirable. However, if you are just offended by organic growth that probably exceeds the published measurements and represents a danger to your chosen, ideal OS -- either take your preferences less seriously or consider switching to another organized religious cause or get a hobby. Your ideals are not written in stone for everyone to follow***. It's your choice, we will make ours based upon our own needs and criteria. For example, my current distribution suffices - not perfect but it works fairly well without need for a lot of effort and maintenance. It meets my needs, despite that very soon I am shifting to another due to the direction this distribution is taking. It's my choice, called freedom, try it sometimes. The use Linux**** is one easy means to do so. YBT [aka Your Buddy Txt.] * I remember when I had to play movies on my crippled Linux laptop for my son and I to watch, because it did not work on his then currents Windows OS. ** I suspect it's the DRM [Digital Restriction Mismanagement] that is the root of this problem. That is, stopping Linux movie players from functioning and causing MS players grief. *** Only tuxchick is qualified to be your stone scribe and I strongly suspect she will turn the opportunity down with strong prejudice. [I hear she is armed and dangerous, so if you are foolish enough to broach the topic, wear a bullet resistant vest, minimum.] **** Or try one of the BSDs or even Plan9. |
| carling Mar 21, 2010 5:02 PM EDT |
tracyanne
It installs out of the box and that's it, if you only want the basics of what Ubuntu has to offer. Compared to other community Linux distributions Ubuntu is not in the same league. May be it is the age group that we have here, that rant and rave how good Ubuntu is, By the way I'm old enough to be your father before you stick me in the wrong age group, tmx Yes your right I was referring to Linux Mint, glad you spotted that, at the same time I was also referring to other Linux distributions as well, where Compiz cube 3D desktop is setup and ready to go. This is what the teenagers want, it is exciting for them, something that Windows and Mac os don't have. I know when I show kids what Linux can do they flip their lids and want it installed on their computers, I also install it on pensioners computers, they have no problems with Linux Mint it's easy for them to learn. TxtEdMacs A modest suggestion to you since you totally cocked up, I too also have bought, downloaded, and tried every popular Linux distributions since 2002, I also used to subscribe to many Linux magazines, which it seems that over the last 12 months or so, every Linux magazine promotes out of date Ubuntu, Suse or Fedora on their DVD's, I have given over wasting $75.00 a month on these Linux magazines that can't promote other Linux distributions. so you can now see I am NOT one of windows or Mac fanbois, I am whole heartedly a fan of none commercial Linux communities, these are the ones that get everything working out of the box, and these are the ones that need the most support, My last words are Ubuntu stands in the shadows of Linux Mint 8 and need to learn from Mint community |
| tracyanne Mar 21, 2010 5:21 PM EDT |
Quoting:By the way I'm old enough to be your father before you stick me in the wrong age group, So you'd be in your 80s then. carling, darling, sorry couldn't pass up the alliteration. I think however you are mistaken about a few things, LXer is not a bunch of Ubuntu lovers, I use it, I even recommend it, I jumped ship from Mandriva, when they went gung ho for KDE4, and If I don't like what Canonical do with the next version or so of Ubuntu, I'll jump again. That said, you shoud have been more explicit to begin with. The fact is Ubuntu works out of the box, in every occasssion I've pulled it out of the box, seriously I've had no problems, it works as advertised, and part of that advertisement is that media codecs must be installed as part of initial configuration, which with the exception of the proprietary codecs that Microsoft and Apple support, makes Ubuntu little different from Windows and OSX. Yes Mint and Super OS come complete with all you can eat media codecs, as they can, given they are projects, and not companies that can be sued, or in some way hounded to death by patent holders. As far as Linux magazines promoting solely Ubuntu, Suse and Fedora, I have from several recent magazines a DVD promoting Sabyon and Slax and Suse, and eyeOS, another promoting Ubuntu and Mandriva and Suse and tinycore. While it's true that the larger distributions get the lions share, other distributions do get a look in. That said the magazines are there to make money, if putting out a DVD of Ubuntu makes the sale then that's what you get. |
| Bob_Robertson Mar 21, 2010 5:40 PM EDT |
Ubuntu is doing that one thing that Linux advocates have been talking about for almost two decades: Advertising. If you don't like it, then blame what it means to advertise. Then crawl back into the hole of obscurity. |
| gus3 Mar 21, 2010 6:04 PM EDT |
Red Hat isn't exactly a wallflower at this dance. |
| tracyanne Mar 21, 2010 6:39 PM EDT |
Quoting:You need to test and write about the distributions that do work out of the box, I dispute that Ubuntu doesn't work out of the box. In respect to the media codecs it's no different than Mandriva or Fedora or Suse, they can't ship with the media codecs because of the threat from US patent holders. But No I don't need to write about other linux distributions..... You do, as obviously you are testing them. Quoting:and stop praising something that's half finished, I dispute the sentiment that Ubuntu is half Finished. If it's half finished then so too are a hellofalot of other Linux distros. It is what it is, if you don't like it, this is Free software, you are free to go elsewhere, or take it, as the SuperOS and Mint people have (and in the case of Mandriva, as the PCLinuxOS people have) and modify it to your desires. Quoting:I forgot Ubuntu's desktop themes have changed and that excites you no end Excite, no, invokes interest yes. I'd like to know what Canonical plan to do with the "empty" space, when they move the buttons. I'd like to know what Mark Shutleworth is alluding to. I'd like to know if it's something useful to me, and by extension other users, or if it's something I won't like and will cause me to go elsewhere. The buttons being moved is trivial in and of itself, it's a simple configuration change, that can be changed back, a little anoying, but given I modify my desktop so that it's no longer recognisable as Ubuntu, it's rather moot. One of the things thatprobably will eventually drive me away from Ubuntu is their use of F-Spot, which I dislike, and most of the people I've done ubuntu for also dislike it, and prefer DigiKam, even though it doesn't integrate into Ubuntu, the way F-Spot is. |
| TxtEdMacs Mar 21, 2010 7:46 PM EDT |
Robert, I didn't know you hated me. Quoting:Then crawl back into the hole of obscurity.You were talking about me and taking carling side, right? Your [Former, Best] Buddy Txt. P.S. It's dark and dank in this rotten hole .. well how long, Bob? Can I come out and look at the stars when there is no cloud cover? Have a heart. |
| Bob_Robertson Mar 21, 2010 7:51 PM EDT |
Txt, Advertising often involves self-agrandizement. That's all I was talking about. |
| tuxchick Mar 21, 2010 7:53 PM EDT |
Come on out of that dark hole, TxtEdMacs, we're playing whack-a-mole! Go ahead, poke your head out, it's fun! |
| jdixon Mar 21, 2010 7:58 PM EDT |
> May be it is the age group that we have here, that rant and rave how good Ubuntu is, Carling, only a handful of people here rant and rave about Ubuntu. The rest of us regard it as a fair to middling distribution, comparable to a dozen or so others. For most new users, Mint is a much better choice. And for experienced users, there's no beating (in alphabetical order) Arch, Debian, Gentoo, or Slackware. |
| TxtEdMacs Mar 21, 2010 9:25 PM EDT |
jd, Speak for yourself, there were more ranters against Ubuntu than those being for it. Most that use it probably are quiet about it. That was my point, this is the wrong forum to counter such supposed predisposition to swoon for Ubuntu. I have tried to avoid taking part in such rants and flames*. It's been weeks since we had a thread where the supposed quality or lack there of was on this site and active. So why do we need a repeat when the article listed did not even imply LXer's stamp of approval. This site lists many [or at least some] articles where most if not nearly all readers fundamentally disagree. Yet these were valid additions, for example in terms of knowing one;s enemy's arguments, NOT assent to their validity. Therefore, just because someone thinks Ubuntu is the ultimate answer to Linux's future, where most here know it really, really is Slac, why must we be harangued? Furthermore, note that near the time the item was posted praising Ubuntu there was another damning it. There were threads on both, however, the latter began with a comment by dino saying quit slobbering and just move on. Me I really read neither, because I prefer technical, how to over opinion pieces**. Regarding the recent changes seen on Ubuntu, I am less disturbed*** by the UI than other changes that have been made earlier. Nonetheless, like other distributions I have used I try to keep my parting complaints at a low level, because I might return some day. TC, I said I really wanted to come out to see celestial bodies**** NOT random electrical impulses due to a smashed brain. Bob, I knew you were not attacking me, buddy. I was just advertising for shilling and astroturfing work. Wouldn't it be great if I could trust Canonical to pay? That way I could justify being an Ubuntu fanboy. That's it, YBT * Though I sometimes both intentionally and unintentionally I have moved a lot of hot air past glowing embers. ** TC is one of my few exceptions, because I like to see Buzzoff rant and rave about how she is so wrong and only he sees the truth. [One of my strange peccadilloes, forgive me if you can or Buzz Off if you can't.] *** However, it would have been nice to allow the users to experiment. **** In outer space, though I am not adverse to porn. |
| ComputerBob Mar 22, 2010 10:15 AM EDT |
Quoting:Bob, I knew you were not attacking me, buddy. I was just advertising for shilling and astroturfing work.I've noticed that you constantly refer to yourself as this site's official shill in many, many threads. Is that some kind of inside joke that everyone else understands? No matter how many times I see it, I just don't get it. |
| gus3 Mar 22, 2010 11:07 AM EDT |
He/she/it is a M$ shill, dutifully fulfilling his/her/its job requirements despite the bad paychecks. Which makes him/her/it a bigger man/woman/thing than I am. Two bad paychecks in a row, and I tendered my resignation. |
| dinotrac Mar 22, 2010 12:11 PM EDT |
CB - If you can get him fired, I would very much appreciate it. I have not scruples whatsoever and really really need the work. Thanks! |
| Steven_Rosenber Mar 22, 2010 1:25 PM EDT |
"Works out of the box" is great if that means YOUR box. I'm back to distro-hopping. (Long story, short version is dist-upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze was less than seamless.) I did an install of Ubuntu Lucid from a daily build. Yes, I know it's not even the beta. It was an install from the live CD. I needed to add to the bootline to get the live environment working (Intel video, you know). Unfortunately, the kernel parameter I passed to the bootline - nomodeset - didn't make it into GRUB in my install. And Ubuntu, not wishing to show me the GRUB screen, won't seemingly let me add this vital instruction to the bootline. I can't get a console, can't get the GUI. Maybe the alternative installer (or something hidden in the friendly GUI installer) will allow me to modify the bootline in GRUB so I can actually make use of the system afterward. So it works out of the box, just not for me. And apparently not at all for Intel video users of a certain vintage. I could file a bug. Instead I moved on. I'm sure I'll be back, but for now I'm playing the field. Since last week I've been running FreeBSD 8.0 with GNOME 2.26. It's not perfect, but it is super-fast. |
| techiem2 Mar 22, 2010 1:35 PM EDT |
Quoting:(Long story, short version is dist-upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze was less than seamless.) LOL. I just did that on a fresh install of Lenny last night. It was....interesting...to get accomplished. Once I did manage to pound the upgrade through, the box runs quite nicely - my mother's new laptop that we just got yesterday afternoon - I spent the afternoon/evening cutting down the Windows partition and getting Debian setup like I had on her old box. :) . |
| Bob_Robertson Mar 22, 2010 2:05 PM EDT |
As much as the Debian team tries to make upgrading "seamless", it's not always going to be possible to do so. The shifts from Libc5 to 6, or kernel 2.2 to 2.4 to 2.6, etc, have always been dicey. Until Lenny, I've been tracking Unstable just to avoid such problems. But I stayed with Lenny to avoid KDE4, and when the time comes I'll do a real backup and then upgrade on a clean disk. ...maybe when security support for Lenny gets dropped. Yeah, that's it. |
| techiem2 Mar 22, 2010 2:19 PM EDT |
Yeah, the problems I had with the upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze was mainly a combination of the kernel, xorg, and udev being dependent on each other, with the kernel not wanting to install by default. I believe I forced the udev/xorg install to go through then installed the new kernel. |
| Steven_Rosenber Mar 22, 2010 4:38 PM EDT |
Quoting:Yeah, the problems I had with the upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze was mainly a combination of the kernel, xorg, and udev being dependent on each other, with the kernel not wanting to install by default. techiem2, we had the exact same problem. My situation was complicated by the fact that I used encrypted LVM on my Lenny install, so I couldn't just reinstall and keep my /home directory intact. I wouldn't have tried any of this if I didn't have a backup of the /home data. I'm hoping that the Debian team will have this situation figured out by the time Squeeze goes Stable. As I've said previously, I've done installs of Etch and immediately upgraded them to Lenny, so I figured that the same thing would be possible Lenny-to-Squeeze. Only if you know the magic. While I'm here, I'd like to ask the Ubuntu 9.10-10.04 users, do you see a GRUB screen when you boot? Had I been able to stop the boot process and add my kernel parameter, I'd be running Ubuntu 10.04 right now ... alas I couldn't, didn't and am not (in that order). |
| tmx Mar 22, 2010 6:20 PM EDT |
If GRUB2 is installed to computer that had no other operating system, then it will hide the GRUB screen. Edit the "grub.cfg" file which contains all the grub settings, located in: /boot/grub/grub.cfg Look for the section: Quoting:if [ ${recordfail} = 1 ]; then set timeout=-1 else set timeout=0Where as 0 is the seconds the GRUB menu will stay on. You'll have to "chmod" the grub.cfg also to save the changes. Also here is a good documentation on editing GRUB2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 The Section 7 "Recover GRUB2 2 via LiveCD" is probably going to be useful for some people when they screw up GRUB for some reason. Although don't have to boot the LiveCD to have the ability to install GRUB2, you can also download the package "grub2" to your current distro for the same ability. |
| hkwint Mar 22, 2010 9:05 PM EDT |
Quoting:Is that some kind of inside joke that everyone else understands? If you don't understand it, then I'm sure more people won't understand it. Last time _I_ made an inside joke TxtEdMacs didn't get it, so these things happen. Yes, it's an inside joke, TxtEdMacs is just a happy Linux user who likes to pretend to be an MS Shill. Apart from that I believe the poor fella even uses Ubuntu, but I'm not sure. Back on topic: The interesting thing about Ubuntu is - for me - it doesn't work out of the box just like most other non-commercial distro's (and commercial ones too BTW), but I'm going to try 10.04, I believe 'beta' is out this or the coming week. I don't understand what all those Ubuntu - users are so excited about either, probably it's exciting to meet more excited people so they can all be excited together. Even if it's about something that isn't exciting on its own. Maybe you know this scenario: take a group of twenty people, and go to some really busy place with a big crowd. One after the other, start staring at something that isn't exciting on its own, like an empty box put upside down so you can't see what's in it. You'll notice other people start staring at the same box - wondering what's going on, and if so, more people will be watching at it and more will follow, and once a critical mass is reached the whole crowd will stare at some empty box. If there's a box filled with a magic time traveling machine somewhere in the corner, than still the whole crowd will look at the empty box. Even if one fella who used the time machine in the box in the corner can't understand why they're all staring at the empty box. Some majority can be wrong and the minority can be right, but the majority attracts more attraction - hence the growth of the majority and after that the status quo. |
| ComputerBob Mar 22, 2010 9:10 PM EDT |
Quoting:If GRUB2 is installed to computer that had no other operating system, then it will hide the GRUB screen.On my main system, Debian Squeeze Xfce (installed from scratch) is the only operating system, yet I see the grub2 screen on every boot. |
| tmx Mar 22, 2010 9:26 PM EDT |
Well I know Fedora and Debian does show the GRUB screen. So *Ubuntu have the habit of hiding it. |
| Steven_Rosenber Mar 22, 2010 11:18 PM EDT |
Grub2 tip: To stop the invisible boot screen in Ubuntu Lucid (or any distro with invisible Grub2 boot screen), hold down the shift key. I'll be trying it soon. |
| tuxchick Mar 22, 2010 11:38 PM EDT |
Brilliant, hide the boot screen behind a sekkrit keypress. What next, blanking the login screen? |
| Steven_Rosenber Mar 23, 2010 12:18 AM EDT |
Supposedly it's only invisible if you have a single-boot system. Dual-booters get a visible Grub2 menu. |
| Sander_Marechal Mar 23, 2010 4:31 AM EDT |
Quoting:I'm back to distro-hopping. (Long story, short version is dist-upgrade from Debian Lenny to Squeeze was less than seamless.) That's the risk you take. Squeeze isn't stable yet. A few weeks ago something broke in Grub2 and I couldn't safely reboot. I still can't safely upgrade all my Python packages because that will blow away my CalendarServer. But once Squeeze is stable, upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze should be relatively pain-free. |
| hkwint Mar 23, 2010 12:33 PM EDT |
Sander: How's that, different packages depending on different Python versions or something like that? You can't install multiple python versions? I remember upgrading Python and sometimes running multiple versions simultaneously, and using the python-updater tool. Sometimes things get messy indeed, sometimes even FUBAR, especially when you 'mix distro versions' or use a rolling-release distro. |
| caitlyn Mar 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT |
Funny, but Karmic worked out of the box on all my systems. I couldn't say that about a number of previous Ubuntu releases but the last one was really slick. Installing codecs and anything else you need is easy enough as well. Is it my favorite distro? No, not at present, but it sure isn't bad either. Some people seem to have a need to bash Ubuntu continuously. That's what I don't get. |
| TxtEdMacs Mar 23, 2010 1:34 PM EDT |
Quoting:Some people seem to have a need to bash Ubuntu continuously. That's what I don't get.Why not? It's just another shell script ... or is it sed or awk running? YBT |
| tuxchick Mar 23, 2010 4:07 PM EDT |
I still think it's dumb to hide the boot menu. Even on a single-OS system there are multiple boot options, like rescue mode and multiple kernels, and how are users supposed to learn anything when crucial screens are hidden? It doesn't boot any faster for being hidden. |
| ComputerBob Mar 23, 2010 4:36 PM EDT |
Quoting:I still think it's dumb to hide the boot menu. Even on a single-OS system there are multiple boot options, like rescue mode and multiple kernels, and how are users supposed to learn anything when crucial screens are hidden? It doesn't boot any faster for being hidden.Maybe they do it to make it more like Windows? |
| techiem2 Mar 23, 2010 5:35 PM EDT |
On my Debian lenny updated to Debian squeeze grub 2 generates the menu with all available kernels and doesn't hide. It generates a normal and rescue mode entry for each kernel. And that was before I had it setup to scan and find the Windows install as well. |
| tuxchick Mar 23, 2010 5:49 PM EDT |
ComputerBob, now there is a Linux for the masses: as dopey and non-functional as Windows, but it looks just like Mac OS X. A surefire winner! |
| jdixon Mar 23, 2010 5:59 PM EDT |
> Some people seem to have a need to bash Ubuntu continuously. That's what I don't get. Before Ubuntu it was Red Hat. There are always those who like to attack the most popular thing, no matter the category. Sometimes they're even right (see Kansas vs. Northern Iowa for one recent example). |
| Bob_Robertson Mar 23, 2010 6:26 PM EDT |
TC, I've noticed that several of the liveCD distributions hide the boot behind various options, and I am certain that they do it to prevent people from being "confused" by the complexity. So yeah, making it look more like Windows. |
| Sander_Marechal Mar 23, 2010 7:00 PM EDT |
Quoting:Sander: How's that, different packages depending on different Python versions or something like that? You can't install multiple python versions? For example. Debian has always supported multiple Python installations. Squeeze currently supports Python 2.4, 2.5, 2.6 and 3.0. All of Debian's python packages are configured and built in such a way to deal with most, if not all these versions. I've upgraded boxes from Sarge to Etch to Squeeze without much of an issue. Just make sure you do pay attention to whatever changes aptitude warns you about. Debian packages rarely push upgrade notes in your face during installation, but if they do it's with good reason. |
| Steven_Rosenber Mar 23, 2010 7:52 PM EDT |
My Debian Squeeze Grub2 menu was great. I had no problem with the transition from Grub1 to Grub2. I thought the Debian devs handled that very well. I'm sure Ubuntu hides the boot menu because there's no boot menu in Windows or Mac unless you hold down whatever magic keys those OSes have set up for single-user mode, CD booting, etc. I'm not sure I'm exactly a Ubuntu basher, although I do use the bash shell a bit. Most of my complaints are with upstream, specifically Xorg and the kernel and both projects' habits of orphaning hardware before its time and unleashing show-stopping regressions. It's funny - I had automatic fan control on my Gateway Solo 1450 laptop in the 2.6.18 kernel, and it quickly dropped out of the kernel. I've been using scripts to invoke it since then. Now in 2.6.32 it's back. So something that dropped out of the kernel came back 14 versions later. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to have it back, but sheesh! Where Xorg made its fatal error was retiring the i810 driver and pushing everybody into the Intel driver. If they had kept i810 or i915 for the "legacy" Intel video and created a new driver for the "modern" Intel video chips, I'd be the happiest of campers. The way things are now, all of the Xorg development since at least 2008 has caused nothing but trouble for users of older Intel chips. INTEL ... not something obscure. So I don't blame any Linux distro or BSD project for my video trouble; they're just using what Xorg created upstream. I do feel sorry especially for the Ubuntu developers who have to deal with the flood of bug reports for Xorg. |
| Steven_Rosenber Mar 23, 2010 7:52 PM EDT |
I kept hearing that apt was better for dist-upgrades than Aptitude ... and now it's the opposite. Oh well, you live, you learn. |
| tuxchick Mar 23, 2010 8:02 PM EDT |
Some of us just live. OK I learned beer, isn't that enough? |
| hkwint Mar 23, 2010 8:16 PM EDT |
I guess a boot menu comes with a certain time-out, hence why Syslinux doesn't display it by default... Unless you press a magic key! Now, everyone knows 'embedded' (what Syslinux is used for very often) boots fast, so if you want to make Ubuntu fast, I guess getting rid of the boot menu is a good thing. |
| Sander_Marechal Mar 23, 2010 8:24 PM EDT |
Quoting:I kept hearing that apt was better for dist-upgrades than Aptitude ... and now it's the opposite. Oh well, you live, you learn. It doesn't really matter anymore. Personally I prefer aptitude because it has an ncurses gui. When I don't like what aptitude is going to do (e.g. when I dist-upgrade my Squeeze it tries to remove CalendarServer) I can really easily drop into that gui and undo that change while keeping the rest of aptitude's suggestions. |
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