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| wolfen69 Mar 14, 2010 12:58 AM EDT |
Scr*w firefox. It's way too slow. Chrome is simply the best, fastest browser available. |
| hkwint Mar 14, 2010 1:40 AM EDT |
Sources? |
| azerthoth Mar 14, 2010 2:43 AM EDT |
best data mining tool google has ever come up with, right up until they thought of doing the whole OS thing. Thats the only best I need to see before I walk away from it. |
| wolfen69 Mar 14, 2010 3:49 PM EDT |
Maybe you shouldn't be using computers in the first place if you're worried about data mining. Did you buy your tinfoil hat, or did you make your own? |
| ComputerBob Mar 14, 2010 4:06 PM EDT |
@wolfen - It makes you look silly and inexperienced when you ridicule those who choose to be more vigilant with their data security and confidentiality than you. |
| azerthoth Mar 14, 2010 5:38 PM EDT |
ty CB, I think that about sums it up. |
| gus3 Mar 14, 2010 6:03 PM EDT |
Quoting:Chrome is simply the best[citation needed] |
| hkwint Mar 14, 2010 6:28 PM EDT |
I thought "H*ll, why not", make this an informative / useful thread. So, here's some benchmarks. What I was comparing: -Chromium Bin 5.0.308 (CH) -Mozilla Firefox 3.6-r1 (FF) -Opera 10.50_pre6240 (OP) Box info: Gentoo-Linux 2.6.33 'stable', updated (DNu) last week. Running Fluxbox Google V8 v5 Benchmarks (more is better): CH ~3240 FF ~290 OP ~2085 SunSpider 0.9: Opera / Chrome about the same (520ms), Opera slightly quicker FF 2,5 times as slow. Those are just benchmarks, when visiting some site - say tweakers.net, nu.nl or LXer - you don't see any difference. Also, in my opinion FF is better because it's easier to block adds, and not having to download adds makes it even quicker than Chrome. Now, why is FF so slow in these benchmarks: It's because the JS 'machine', 'tracemonkey'. As the name implies, it does 'tracing' some complex form of optimizing. But lots of benchmarks don't 'trace' very well, and then FF has to switch to the slow interpreter. What are the folks of FF doing about it: The project is called "JaegerMonkey". The idea is: -Use tracing / tracemonkey if possible and quick, -If not, use some other JIT instead of the slow interpreter. The JaegerMonkey folks decided to use the Nitro JIT made by Apple (that's the webkit one), and this will optimize future benchmarks, for those who find benchmarks interesting. Hopes this info makes the thread worthwile after all, because the initial comment was pretty useless. |
| TxtEdMacs Mar 14, 2010 8:20 PM EDT |
Hans, Cut it out ... or write an article where it can be ignored. I say and let me repeat: don't confuse me with Facts when I know my opinion is the only right answer. Now let me see if I can get Scott to delete your post. BBL* to let you know how that goes. Your Buddy Txt. * aka Be Back Later |
| bigg Mar 14, 2010 9:36 PM EDT |
Threads like this remind me of why I stopped using Digg long ago. |
| DiBosco Mar 15, 2010 5:21 AM EDT |
From a purely subjective point of view I find Chromium way faster than Firefox both in terms of booting (which is impressively fast) and loading pages. Also, it doesn't do what Firefox occasionally does in terms of hogging the machine's resources on certain pages. imdb can be terrible for this on FF for example, where it will just completely freeze the browser for ten to twenty seconds . Also, sometimes FF seems to really bog down the computer and the only way to fix it is to shut the browser down ungracefully. Chromium has its own issues though: it's ugly, once all the tabs are full there's no grab bar to move it between screens, it can crash (and not just taking one tab, but the whole browser) and the general layout is not as good a FF (the worst one being how you can't easily recall recently visited pages as you can on FF by pressing the down arrow to the right of the URL bar. I tend to have both browsers open these days and use FF for some and Chromium for others, but Chromium is the one I use most. I don't give a fig about Google's data mining.Good luck to them finding about all my geeky searches! Tesco, Sainsbury and all sorts of other high street stores are just as guilty of it, I'm far more concerned about them. |
| ComputerBob Mar 15, 2010 8:32 AM EDT |
Personal privacy used to be something that everyone took for granted, and it was assumed that you had a right to it unless you intentionally did something to give it away. But for the past several years, personal privacy has increasingly become something that nearly everyone assumes DOESN'T exist any more -- thanks in part to self-serving, self-fulfilling prophecies from companies like Google, who make hundreds of billions of dollars from exploiting our private data. The result is that now, many people assume that you have NO right to personal privacy, unless you intentionally take steps to try to protect it. And not only are many people eager to trade their personal privacy for a little bit of convenience, they're actually angry at you if you AREN'T willing to do it, and will ridicule you for being a tinfoil-hat-wearing privacy nut or someone who must have something to hide. It both saddens and angers me to see our right to personal privacy being constantly and insidiously replaced by corporations' (i.e., Google's) right to data mine our private data. |
| bigg Mar 15, 2010 9:03 AM EDT |
> many people eager to trade their personal privacy for a little bit of convenience We'll see how convenient it is when they find themselves on a terrorist watch list or under investigation for tax fraud because they did the wrong thing with their computer. If they've got nothing to hide, they'll have no problem with someone selling data to their bosses about their visits to monster.com. Surely it can't be a problem for anyone at any time to have access to your entire family's medical history. |
| tuxchick Mar 15, 2010 12:01 PM EDT |
Not only that, bigg, but you never know when something is going to be held against you. Like a chance comment on youthful experimentations, religion, political affiliation, sarcastic comments... |
| bigg Mar 15, 2010 12:16 PM EDT |
> Like a chance comment on youthful experimentations, religion, political affiliation, sarcastic comments... Or a comment made by someone else that is attributed to you. Google or whoever is the information collector will be the one to determine what you've said. One of the things I hated about the RIAA lawsuits is that they never proved the accused were actually downloading/uploading the music. And don't even get me started about the possibilities for framing someone... |
| TxtEdMacs Mar 15, 2010 1:14 PM EDT |
Quoting: [...] you never know when something is going to be held against you. Like a chance comment on youthful experimentations, religion, political affiliation, sarcastic comments...You are right, but I protect myself by including wolfen69's embedded data. S/he wouldn't mind, whereas I might. YBT |
| herzeleid Mar 15, 2010 2:00 PM EDT |
While it may be considered boorish to express strong preferences in this forum, I can certainly understand wolfen69's initial comments about chrome vs firefox. I've had similar feelings. But the great thing is that we have a choice - I use both firefox and chrome, extensively! |
| jezuch Mar 15, 2010 4:00 PM EDT |
Quoting:Chromium has its own issues though: (...) you can't easily recall recently visited pages as you can on FF by pressing the down arrow to the right of the URL bar. You can press and hold the arrow button - the tab's history will then appear just like in FF. I don't know why, but it seemed obvious to me and I wasn't even surprised when it worked :) What I miss is the button on the far right side of the tab bar that pops a menu which lists all the open tabs for easy browsing and access. Very, very useful when you have, like, 20+ tabs open in one window. |
| DiBosco Mar 15, 2010 4:10 PM EDT |
Quoting:You can press and hold the arrow button - the tab's history will then appear just like in FF. I don't know why, but it seemed obvious to me and I wasn't even surprised when it worked :) Nice one, thanks. :) |
| DiBosco Mar 15, 2010 4:12 PM EDT |
Quoting:While it may be considered boorish to express strong preferences in this forum :-o Or should I have turned off my irony filter at this point? |
| ComputerBob Mar 15, 2010 5:32 PM EDT |
Quoting:While it may be considered boorish to express strong preferences in this forum...Boorish is boorish, whether expressing a strong preference or not. |
| herzeleid Mar 15, 2010 6:50 PM EDT |
Quoting:Boorish is boorishThat's as true as it ever was! |
| Steven_Rosenber Mar 16, 2010 12:43 PM EDT |
My personal experience with Google Chrome is that in XP the goodness doesn't last long. After an hour or so, it starts to slow down, windows take forever to draw, and I generally have to abandon it. Firefox is way more consistent, and 3.6 is seeming quite a bit faster in terms of its Javascript capability. I've had very little time with FF 3.6 in Linux, and on the Mac with PowerPC I haven't noticed much of a difference thus far. I haven't tried Chromium/Chrome in Linux because I'm extremely happy with GNOME's Epiphany browser, which I use whenever I'm not running some crappy Web-based app that only works with Firefox. |
| hkwint Mar 16, 2010 5:59 PM EDT |
I've become increasingly frustrated with Firefox 3.6 homebrewn / precompiled because it always slows down and hangs really often. Here's where the best WindowMaker feature (kill this window) is used, man, I miss it in Fluxbox. Tried chromium-bin, but Flash youtube video hangs just as well. |
| herzeleid Mar 16, 2010 7:53 PM EDT |
Quoting:Tried chromium-bin, but Flash youtube video hangs just as well.Not sure exactly what chromium-bin is... But youtube videos work fine for me in the browser known as google chrome. Chrome and FF on linux each have their issues but chrome seems more stable. FF has a bad habit of suddenly becoming totally unresponsive, while thrashing the CPU, at random intervals, usually several times a day. There is no practical fix except to kill FF and restart it. |
| gus3 Mar 16, 2010 8:04 PM EDT |
@herzeleid: Before killing it, you might want to open a terminal window and do "ps axf" or "top" to find the specific runaway process. That should shed some light on what's going on under the hood. |
| herzeleid Mar 16, 2010 8:36 PM EDT |
@gus3 - I run top to see what's up and the runaway process is always firefox-bin, taking 100% cpu |
| azerthoth Mar 17, 2010 12:57 AM EDT |
hkwint, I have xkill assigned in the keys file Mod4 k :ExecCommand xkill xkill is in portage proper. winkey+k then click on the offending window. |
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