SJVW debunks Linux FUD again...

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caitlyn

Sep 01, 2009
2:53 PM EDT
SJVW debunks Linux FUD again and the Windows fanbois complain about bias and call it "nonsense". Uh huh... If the facts don't suit your agenda I guess you discard them. The agenda is all important, right?

Every time I have to use Windows I am reminded what a PITA it is.
tracyanne

Sep 01, 2009
5:18 PM EDT
Quoting:Every time I have to use Windows I am reminded what a PITA it is.


Which, caitlyn, for me is Monday to Friday.

After a recent security update my outlook client broke. It simply fails to load, if I try, and hangs the entire machine, and I have to hard reset the machine. We've been especially busy, so taking the machine down and rebuilding it (oh how often one has to do that with Windows) is currently out of the question, as that will be a day or two of lost time, what with reinstalling the OS (a minimum requirement I'd guarantee, then reinstalling MS Office, Visual Studio, MS SQL Server, and a host of other applications I have and regularly use.

So I take my personal laptop to work with me, it's loaded with Ubuntu Jaunty and more importantly in this case Evolution, so it simply replaces the functionality of Outlook. It hasn't missed a beat since I installed Jaunty, an over the internet upgrade from Intrepid.

That upgrade took most of a Saturday, but only because it was day two of Jaunty's release and every man and his dog was also upgrading to Jaunty. It was the file download that took the time, the actual install process took about 15 Minutes. Subsequent upgrades of other people's Intrepid to Jaunty took less than an hour all up.

In both cases the upgrade included all the installed applications as well as the OS.

Back to Windows. So now I can't load Outlook, as it crashes my Windows machine. So yesterday I'm looking at a spreadsheet, it has a column of email addresses in, and I accidentally double click, by virtue of the fact that I clicked then without moving the mouse clicked again, and guess what, it was an email address so the stupid OS tries to load Outlook - this of course is 'Functionality" that is built into the Windows OS, and is part of the reason that Windows is [not], and can never be secure - so of course my machine locks up and I have to hard shutdown and restart.

Did you know that there is no way that you can select a group of files from the file manager and dump them into a text editor and obtain the meta data, on Windows? On Linux you simply select a group of files, and paste them into your text editor and you get a list of file names and other meta data. On Windows the text editor attempts to load the contents of each and every file. The work around on Windows is to send the file to an email as attachments, then the email lists the names of the files.

I could go on.
Sander_Marechal

Sep 01, 2009
5:51 PM EDT
GTK runs on Windows. Can't Evolution run on Windows as well? You could simply replace Outlook with Evolution on your work box.

Edit: Evolution for Windows at http://www.dipconsultants.com/evolution/download.htm
softwarejanitor

Sep 01, 2009
5:59 PM EDT
"Every time I have to use Windows I am reminded what a PITA it is."

@caitlyn I couldn't agree more. I can't see how so many people are so fooled and so stubborn in believing that Windows is easy to use or even easy to learn.
caitlyn

Sep 01, 2009
6:00 PM EDT
tracyanne, I feel your pain. Thankfully I only have to deal with Windows occasionally. I'm also not at all looking forward to seeing Windows 7 deployed.
caitlyn

Sep 01, 2009
6:14 PM EDT
OK, I just thought of a reason why I can write how the article is crap just like the Windows fanbois. SJVN didn't test eComStation (formerly OS/2). They had a new major release this year. How difficult was it to upgrade? Was it any harder than MacOS or Linux? See! The article is unfair and biased because it didn't test every possible OS. So there!

It's still a good article and most of the comments are nonsense, as is typically the case for SJVN pieces on Computerworld's site.
jdixon

Sep 01, 2009
8:00 PM EDT
> ...so taking the machine down and rebuilding it (oh how often one has to do that with Windows)

It sounds like you would be a prime candidate for using partimage to create an image of your machine. Then when things like this happen you can just restore from the image. That still leaves you with the problem of the updates, which may simply break the machine again, but that's always a risk with Windows.
Steven_Rosenber

Sep 01, 2009
8:24 PM EDT
With the caveat being that I have to deal with Windows quite a bit, I didn't find the article to be all that compelling. The fact that you can update Ubuntu or Mac OS X fairly easily is, to me, a totally different thing than dealing with the pain of an in-place Windows upgrade.

I don't expect a Windows upgrade to work or be painless, and I'm not surprised that it didn't turn out that way.

Of course I do expect a Ubuntu upgrade to work, and SJVN didn't mention all the trouble with Intel video I've been having not just in Ubuntu but also in Debian, Slackware and OpenBSD.

Sure, I've figured out xorg.conf hacks for most of my issues, but what a PITA (and I don't mean the tasty bread kind of pita, either).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Windows isn't meant to be "upgraded." It comes magically installed on the box when you buy it. Then you suffer until you get another box. Wash, rinse, repeat.

For me, the bar is low when it comes to Windows actually working well. I don't expect it, and as a result I haven't been disappointed. In my current personal experience, I run Linux on older hardware and get better performance than I do on newer hardware in XP.

This week Microsoft pushed IE8 to my XP box. Back when this happened with IE7, I held off for MONTHS and regretted it.

So what did I do this time? I went for IE8 right away. No logic was used. I just did it.

The first half-hour was great. It seemed faster than IE7, but after that it started crashing literally every three minutes. It would automatically restart, but it just keeps on crashing ...

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