So the truth comes out...
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| softwarejanitor Jul 23, 2009 12:09 PM EDT |
Surprise surprise. Not. |
| vainrveenr Jul 23, 2009 1:19 PM EDT |
Quoting:Surprise surprise. Not.Not only for Microsoft's Hyper-V code, but now similar unsurprising with Adobe's Open Video Player and Text Layout Framework (TLF) projects as well. As the the 'Adobe's Latest Open Source Project' piece at http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Adobe-s-Latest-O... reveals: Quoting:Adobe is cooperating on the project with the Internet service provider Akamai. Together they want to drive forward Akamai's Open Video Player Initiative which apart from having Adobe's flash format as its centerpiece, also supports Microsoft's Silverlight technology. Open source activist, Chris Messina, finds even the title of the project confusing, as he writes in his blog: “One needs only to examine the language of the Open Video Player project or consider the “partners” involved to realize that nothing about the “Open Video Player” project has anything to do with open and everything to do with inhibiting a free and open media web from emerging.”Chris Messina further elaborates upon this: Quoting:Messina, co-founder of the DiSo Project, is of the opinion that Adobe's activities are actually hindering a true video standard in HTML5. Competitors in the W3C developer project are the free open source format Ogg/Theora and the market leader H.264. Messina draws parallels to the recent release of codes by Microsoft. He writes: “Adobe and Microsoft are now engaged in similar forms of open-washing, applying the tastes-great, less-filling label, while doing everything they can to maintain their control and dominance in a given area — further cementing the historic distinction between “free” and “open”.Same old same old indeed! |
| Bob_Robertson Jul 23, 2009 2:45 PM EDT |
So there, ESR, the GPL turns out to be a very, very good and relevant thing. I may agree that F/OSS is a better way to write software, so it would win in the long run, but the more I see the more important I think the GPL is to reaching that open future. |
| justintime Jul 24, 2009 4:23 PM EDT |
Actually, it would appear to be poor journalism. See here: http://www.h-online.com/open/Microsoft-and-Vyatta-rebutt-rep... Specifically note: Quoting:Vyatta Vice President Dave Roberts states that neither it, or principal engineer Stephen Hemminger, have accused Microsoft of GPL violations, as reported elsewhere. In a blog posting, Roberts says "news stories have started to circulate that have bordered on putting words into the mouths of both Vyatta and its employees". |
| TxtEdMacs Jul 24, 2009 8:47 PM EDT |
JIT, Are you saying that MS has been hit with Astroturf? Nasty, who could be so devious to stoop to such underhanded, borderline criminality? I say let's line up the usual suspects and hang one at random to throw fear into these diseased minds. Next time they will think twice and at least frame someone for the deed, in advance to make our law and order culture more easily enforceable. What say you? It sure sounds good to me* YBT * I do not fit into frames too well and in web work I would only use iframes. So think of someone else when looking for someone to take the fall. |
| tuxchick Jul 25, 2009 12:52 AM EDT |
Stephen Hemminger himself said he discovered the GPL violation, and this has been reported and linked to all over the place, including the Heise story:
http://linux-network-plumber.blogspot.com/2009/07/congratula...
Quoting: This saga started when one of the user's on the Vyatta forum inquired about supporting Hyper-V network driver in the Vyatta kernel. A little googling found the necessary drivers, but on closer examination there was a problem. The driver had both open-source components which were under GPL, and statically linked to several binary parts. The GPL does not permit mixing of closed and open source parts, so this was an obvious violation of the license. VP Dave Roberts does a nice tap dance: http://opensourcejuicer.blogspot.com/2009/07/all-we-wanted-w... Quoting: In a quest for more drama than occurred in reality, some press accounts have suggested that Stephen or Vyatta "accused" Microsoft of a "GPL violation." As you can tell by reading Stephen's blog posting, nobody "accused" anybody of anything. Stephen merely called the situation to Microsoft's attention, again, working the issue, not the PR. There were no threats, no screaming, no broken fingers, no frothing at the mouth. Just a few calm phone-calls placed behind closed doors, out of the limelight and media focus. And that was that. Microsoft noodled on things. And then it decided to open source the drivers and contribute them to the kernel. Which is flat-out wrong. Nobody "noodled"; it took two years for MS to get their little bit of code into compliance, with help from the Linux Driver Project, http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/microsoft-linux-hyper-v-drive... VP Dave is putting a "Happy Happy Microsoft!" spin on the story that is not supported by the facts. I'm sure MS would be pleased to let someone who violated one of their licenses two years to noodle on the matter...suuure... |
| bigg Jul 25, 2009 5:14 AM EDT |
I think justintime is one of the all-time worst astroturfers. A bit of advice: it will help in the future to at least pretend to be part of the FOSS community. Everything you post here is straight from the Microsoft PR department. |
| TxtEdMacs Jul 25, 2009 8:03 AM EDT |
Quoting: ... Everything you post here is straight from the Microsoft PR department.How can you say that about JIT? He just reads the wrong story or gets some details wrong, once in awhile (I am sure) and I thought it was agreed we would not use personal attacks on people seeming to front for MS here. How I ask you am I to earn my living, once the checks begin to arrive? Please be kind to us that need to scrounge for our daily caviar. It's like KS that assumes that had he not read it, it does not exist. Please everyone deserves some slack, despite their seeming to rejoice in personal attacks. Me I take it as just plain text where too much of our own predispositions (and / or counter stances) color the content of other's words. So please be big about it. YBT |
| tuxchick Jul 25, 2009 9:29 AM EDT |
TxtEdMacs, you can stretch those checks even further by buying jars of fish eggs from the bait and tackle shop. Fish eggs in a fancy little can with a fancy price tag, or fish eggs in a jar in the bait section-- what's the diff? Besides the price. Bon appetit! |
| TxtEdMacs Jul 25, 2009 10:26 AM EDT |
TC, No good. The last time I went to a bait shop for my fix ... ah I really meant for some cheap delicacies I found only worms. I went back to complain and they had the gall to tell me the fish eggs had hatched. When I shouted B.S.! They bodily threw me out of the establishment heaping abuse on my body and mind screaming I was one of those no account, commie, hippy types that pushed FLOSSI All the while suffering a rain of fists and other hard objects they had at hand. I blame all my ill treatment on Roy, had only been only a bit more conscientious in his source citation in BN I would have not been clumped with the zealot, agitators. There is no justice in this world so I have to scrounge lying about MS esteemed qualities to earn my keep. It's a tough life. I just wonder how well paid are the others that perform the same tasks. Really, I can skip the justice part, but I need the cash. YBT |
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