The survey is broken..
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| Author | Content |
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| techiem2 Feb 06, 2009 4:51 PM EDT |
The What do you run on your computer question does not include Gentoo or an option for "Other Linux" |
| herzeleid Feb 06, 2009 5:46 PM EDT |
I couldn't get past the question about what type of games I play - there were optons for various consoles, and peecee games. There was no option for linux or mac games. Oh well, the survey ended there for me. |
| Sander_Marechal Feb 06, 2009 8:36 PM EDT |
A Linux game is also a PC game. As we use to say, a PC does not mean it has Windows on it. There are other bugs in the survey though. There are no "none of the above" options on the question that ask which Windows emulator (Wine/cedega/etcetera) you use and which general gaming websites you frequent. |
| tracyanne Feb 06, 2009 11:14 PM EDT |
Whay OS do you use? Ubuntu Linux (any) Mac OS X BSD (any) Windows ME Unix (any) Windows 95 Windows 2000 Windows Vista OpenSUSE (any) Debian Linux (any) Windows XP Fedora Linux (any) Linux Mint (any) Ididn't see Mandriva - or even other Linux - on there, so I can't go any further |
| herzeleid Feb 07, 2009 2:39 PM EDT |
> A Linux game is also a PC game. As we use to say, a PC does not mean it has Windows on it. Not necessarily - some pc games are also available in mac or linux versions, while others are pc only. It's a naming convention. To see what I mean, go download firefox, or download some game demos from id software - you'll see 3 versions: pc, mac and linux - not "pc, pc and pc", which would be meaningless. |
| gus3 Feb 07, 2009 4:12 PM EDT |
No, you'll see Windows, Linux, or Mac OS X. No mention of "PC". http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/ |
| herzeleid Feb 07, 2009 4:35 PM EDT |
> No, you'll see Windows, Linux, or Mac OS X. No mention of "PC". Ah, things are always changing I see - but that makes no odds - Go download google earth: http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html Check out the boxee story on gizmodo: [url=http://gizmodo.com/5057322/boxee-multi platform-xbmc based-media-center-coming-to-apple-tv]http://gizmodo.com/5057322/boxee-multi platform-xbmc based-m...[/url] or trry express scribe: http://www.nch.com.au/scribe/ Or get some computer answers: http://www.answers.com/topic/how-to-select-a-computer The 3 platforms that are mentioned: "pc, mac and linux" - |
| techiem2 Feb 07, 2009 4:44 PM EDT |
And once again we come back to the issue of Microsoft retraining the world that PC = Windows instead of PC = Personal Computer. Or is Apple to fault for this one? hmm. |
| tracyanne Feb 07, 2009 6:26 PM EDT |
I'd say Apple is to blame, it is/was a branding thing. Macintosh != PC, Macintosh > PC |
| tracyanne Feb 07, 2009 6:28 PM EDT |
I've sent a email to the relevant (I think/hope) contact person explaining why the questionaire is broken, I don't expect either a response or a fix. |
| tracyanne Feb 07, 2009 6:54 PM EDT |
I sent the following email to Evolutionary IT > > I am unable to move past the following question in your survey: > > *Please indicate which Operating System(s) you run on your computer: Please > indicate what operating system(s) do you run on your personal computer? > Check any that apply > > Ubuntu Linux (any) > Mac OS X > BSD (any) > Windows ME > Unix (any) > Windows 95 > Windows 2000 > Windows Vista > OpenSUSE (any) > Debian Linux (any) > Windows XP > Fedora Linux (any) > Linux Mint (any) > > > As none of the possible answer apply. I do not use any of those versions of > Linux, and I do not use Windows. > > This question is one that many Linux users (indeed many that I know > personally) will not be able to answer as they do not use any of the options > listed. > > The major Desktop Linux distributions include Mandriva, Ubuntu, SuSE and > Fedora. Mandriva is missing from the List. Other Major Linux distributions > are Slackware, gentoo, Xandros, and Mepis, You will need to add an Other > Linux for those who don't use any of the above. > > I use currently Mandriva Linux on all of my computers, and on all of the > computers that I sell. This is subject to change, as is trivially possible > with Linux, but by not making it possible for a significant section of the > Linux using population to answer your questionaire honestly, you have left > out a large number of potential respondents. > > kind regards > > Tracyanne |
| tracyanne Feb 07, 2009 6:54 PM EDT |
To my surprise. I received the following in response. Hello Tracy, Thanks for your feedback. You are correct but that hasn't stopped 100's from sharing their opinion on FOSS GAMING. I am keenly aware of all the supernumerary distro choices (I use 5 different distro and volunteer/donate to them) but I didn't include them in this survey due to serious time constraints. Please remember I am doing this alone in my non-existent "free" time. Mandriva is a great distro among many and I meant no disrespect in not including it. Unfortunately the survey software doesn't allow changing or adding to questions so this is how it will stay till this survey is completed. Please do remember this is about FOSS gaming - so that is the focus. Rest assure the next survey I will include all of them (or at least the top 20.) Also I added some clarification to the survey question help. =) It's my sincere hope that the survey will spark interest, dialog and positive momentum in the FOSS gaming community - this is my goal. What FOSS games are you playing? Thanks and enjoy the weekend, Joseph Guarino CISSP,LPIC,MCSE2000-2003,PMP Evolutionary IT - Best Practice IT(tm) Website: http://www.evolutionaryit.com Blog: http://www.evolutionaryit.com/blog 888.404.5074 (Office) |
| tracyanne Feb 07, 2009 6:58 PM EDT |
I will not be able to answer the questionaire, as the page in question requires that you select any that apply, and won't let you continue unless you select at least one. None apply, so I can't continue. |
| theboomboomcars Feb 08, 2009 2:11 AM EDT |
It seems that it would be far easier just to put linux instead of trying to provide different distros when you don't list them all. |
| tracyanne Feb 08, 2009 4:36 AM EDT |
@boomboom: indeed |
| hkwint Feb 08, 2009 3:24 PM EDT |
Quoting:as the page in question requires that you select any that apply, and won't let you continue unless you select at least one. None apply, so I can't continue. Didn't they teach you multiple-choice (multiple-gamble is what it's named in our country) at school? If there is no correct answer, choose the best one. As Mandriva is Red Hat based, I'd say you chose something RedHat based. You are right the answer is correct and in fact you'd be lying, but nonetheless you'd have provided the best answer possible. |
| tracyanne Feb 08, 2009 5:18 PM EDT |
This was my reply to Joeseph: > > > > Well unfortunately Joseph, those who use Mandriva, Slackware, Xandros, > > Mepis, and lots of other Distributions can't complete the survey, and > > that includes all of my customers here in Australia, and significant > > numbers of Linux users in South America, where Mandriva is more poular > > than Ubuntu and China and Russia, and Other East European countries and > > Africa countries where Mandriva has a much greater mindshare than > > Ubuntu, can't complete the questionaire. It would be both dishonest, and > > inaccurate to select any of the other options. > > > > regards > > > > Tracyanne |
| tracyanne Feb 08, 2009 5:19 PM EDT |
His reply On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 09:39 -0700, Joseph Guarino wrote: Hello Tracy, > > As I said before the survey is about FOSS GAMES and the disto question > isn't fundamentally important or valid to the results I seek. It's not > a survey about 1 distro vs. another, its about FOSS GAMES! If any of > you chose to not complete it that is your own choice. As I said next > time I will include as many as I can. > > Have a great day! > Joseph Guarino > CISSP,LPIC,MCSE2000-2003,PMP > Evolutionary IT - Best Practice IT(tm) > Website: http://www.evolutionaryit.com > Blog: http://www.evolutionaryit.com/blog > 888.404.5074 (Office) |
| tracyanne Feb 08, 2009 5:20 PM EDT |
And my further reply If the Linux distribution isn't important, or indeed the version of Windows, for that matter, why did you not simply put Linux? for Linux users and Windows for Windows users? Reading your survey questions makes it seem it does matter. I use Mandriva and use task-games from the urpmi package manager when I set up a games computer for people or select individual games on computers designated for other uses, other people I know use Slackware and Mepis and PCLInuxOS, and yet you listed Ubuntu and several Ubuntu variations, all of which are actually merely Ubuntu with different skins, as if they were different distributions. It's almost as if you are one of those people who think that Ubuntu and Linux are interchangable, and mean the same thing. ?Personally I don't enjoy being counted as an Ubuntu user, or a Red hat user or a SuSE user, I'm happy to be counted as a Linux user, if you can't or won't include the distribution I use. regards Tracyanne |
| azerthoth Feb 08, 2009 5:23 PM EDT |
Right on TA. I'm a Sabayon user, although I dont mind being counted as a Gentoo user when push comes to shove. Overall I'm a Linux user, and I agree, dont buttonhole me into $DISTRO, instead just call it Linux and go from there. |
| Sander_Marechal Feb 08, 2009 6:36 PM EDT |
So much vitriol. Tracyanne, why did you not simply suggest that he add an "other" option to the survey? |
| gus3 Feb 08, 2009 6:55 PM EDT |
She did, in her first letter. |
| tracyanne Feb 08, 2009 7:02 PM EDT |
Vitriol?? where? That's not even anger. Probing yes. Possibly even difficult questions if the person never really thought the survey through properly, but vitriol hardly applies. |
| tracyanne Feb 08, 2009 7:08 PM EDT |
then there is Quoting:the disto question isn't fundamentally important Which begs the question, "In what way is it important?" |
| ColonelPanik Feb 08, 2009 7:16 PM EDT |
From a reply to TA's letter:
Joseph Guarino
> CISSP,LPIC,MCSE2000-2003,PMP MCSE? That would explain it for me. |
| Sander_Marechal Feb 08, 2009 7:26 PM EDT |
Quoting:Vitriol?? where? That's not even anger. Well, vitriol is probably too strong a word, but it doesn't read like a nice, friendly conversation either. Quoting:She did, in her first letter. Indeed, she did. I had to re-read it before I saw it. Twice. Perhaps the survey author had the same problem? He sounds like he doesn't want to add a list of 300 other Linux distros. |
| tracyanne Feb 08, 2009 8:17 PM EDT |
Quoting:but it doesn't read like a nice, friendly conversation either. It's not supposed to be. It's a complaint pointing out issues with his survey. |
| tracyanne Feb 08, 2009 10:52 PM EDT |
He made the necessary change, and added Linux(Any) as an option. i completed the survey. |
| techiem2 Feb 08, 2009 11:13 PM EDT |
Ok. I've completed it too now that it's completable. :) |
| azerthoth Feb 09, 2009 11:30 AM EDT |
Completed, although I dislike when the same question is asked repeatedly. It's like he's hoping to trip people up. |
| theboomboomcars Feb 09, 2009 2:55 PM EDT |
I wonder what he means by a commercial game. Because FOSS does not mean that the game is not commercial, just as Closed source does not mean that the game is commercial. |
| itevolutionary Feb 24, 2009 3:32 AM EDT |
traceyanne, I was forthright and respectful in all of my responses and you were simply deluded and immature. If you want to take me to task on something then you do so speaking with me alone and not on a forum. I didn't violate your privacy (as you did mine) herein or engage in a condescending/smug tone. Nearly 690 other people had all positive words to say about the survey that are quite the opposite of yours. What is even more confounding is that you miss the fundamental point of my survey and my consistent efforts to support the FOSS gaming community. |
| tracyanne Feb 24, 2009 3:45 AM EDT |
@itevolutionary, you still miss the point, even though you actually rectified the problem. Thank you for your efforts. |
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