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tuxchick

Mar 12, 2008
4:22 PM EDT
There is a reason I have gradually divested myself of most of my onsite gigs, and spend my days in my dark, fortified computer grotto, safely protected from meatspace and the horrid humanoids that infest it.

Your PhD could be a good reliable paycheck- put her on retainer. As long as she's not blaming you and the checks don't bounce, what's the problem? :D Tell ya what, you're a great guy and I would like to help you. Consume copious quantities, that is.

"It is impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are ingenious."
herzeleid

Mar 12, 2008
4:44 PM EDT
> spend my days in my dark, fortified computer grotto, safely protected from meatspace

Ah, you've read neuromancer then tc?
ColonelPanik

Mar 12, 2008
5:55 PM EDT
TC: Is it true that girl-geeks are geekier than the boys?
tracyanne

Mar 12, 2008
6:15 PM EDT
Quoting:Is it true that girl-geeks are geekier than the boys?


No. smarter.
Scott_Ruecker

Mar 12, 2008
6:33 PM EDT
Touché, Tracy.

LOL!
tuxchick

Mar 12, 2008
6:59 PM EDT
haha, what tracyanne said.

I was trying to think of a difference and got as far as "facial hair", but even that isn't always true, especially in one's, ahem, elder years.
ColonelPanik

Mar 13, 2008
6:42 AM EDT
IANAG
azerthoth

Mar 13, 2008
6:55 AM EDT
Interestingly enough I just stumbled across the ~/.wine issue myself. To preface I use wine for 3 things and 3 things only, World of Warcrack, Pokerstars, and occasionally Grabit for it's multiserver usenet search capability.

This sunday my warcraft acct was hacked, admittedly the login interface for it is susceptible to brute force attacks. However I am also a bit suspicious, it is windows emulation and I am not terribly clear on how it does the magic it does, lets be safe and scan. I managed to find and pull 17 windoze virii out of my ~/. wine folder.

How they got there is beyond me, as I said I only use it for those 3 programs and even when I used windows I knew better than to randomly click around. Lesson learned, ~/.wine is now on a daily scan and ~/ a weekly.
dinotrac

Mar 13, 2008
7:56 AM EDT
>No. smarter.

So you admit that girls are no smarter, eh?

And they have trouble with punctuation.
tracyanne

Mar 13, 2008
1:02 PM EDT
@Dino: I'm very good at punctuation, as it happens. There was this bloke in a night club, when I was younger, who can attest to that. He put his hand where it was not supposed to be, and I punctuated him. He walked funny after that.
tracyanne

Mar 13, 2008
1:13 PM EDT
I've been bitten by Broadcom. I've tried every windows driver that I can find that comes up in a search for drivers for the BCM94311MCG Wireless lan card. I can't get it to work using either fwcutter or ndiswrapper.

I've finally found something I can't get to work with Mandriva.
dinotrac

Mar 13, 2008
7:16 PM EDT
Is that on your Lenovo?

I believe that's the same card I have on mine.

First: Download puppy linux and try it. Puppy found and used the wireless on my Lenovo. I believe it uses a native Linux driver to do so.

Also, I found the XP driver here:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-67855.html
tracyanne

Mar 13, 2008
7:48 PM EDT
Yep it's the Lenovo. It's actually for a friend of ours. I told him he could have Wireless networking, then the bloody broadcom card bit me.

Thanks, I'll let you know.
tracyanne

Mar 13, 2008
8:07 PM EDT
Fwcutter fails to recognise the file I downloaded, and so does ndiswrapper.
tracyanne

Mar 13, 2008
11:32 PM EDT
I decided to read the instructions - it's the .inf file that does the trick........... der.
tracyanne

Mar 14, 2008
12:17 AM EDT
It still won't work, I used ndiswrapper to install the .inf file, and while the wireless light now flashes wland won't load. I get a message that says can't find p80211.0.

This is frustrating Wireless has always been a turn it on and run for me, I reckon I've been dead lucky up until now - I'd love wring some necks at Broadcom.
azerthoth

Mar 14, 2008
12:45 AM EDT
Tracyanne, my experiance with ndiswrapper, dont pay attention to manufacturer. Do lspci and note it's location on the bus, then do lspci -n and write down the return from that. It will be in xxxx:xxxx format. Then using the driver list at ndiswrapper search out the xxxx:xxxx and grab that driver regardless of manufacturer. Use that instead.

I have had a higher success rate that way, not perfect mind you, but better.
dinotrac

Mar 14, 2008
5:24 AM EDT
Again -- Check out puppy linux!!!

Not so much to install on the Lenovo, but to run live and see how they did it.

Wireless worked on my Lenovo with puppy.

It's a small download for the live cd.
tracyanne

Mar 14, 2008
5:29 AM EDT
@azerthoth I understood every word, individually.

I have no idea what "dont pay attention to manufacturer." means, I wasn't aware that I was.

As for "note it's location on the bus", the location of what?

And "Then using the driver list at ndiswrapper search out the xxxx:xxxx and grab that driver regardless of manufacturer." As far as I was aware I only have 1 manufacturer's driver, the same manufacturer I'm not paying attention to, I assume.

Then How do I grab this driver, and where from, and what with?

on my own computer(not the one with the Wireless problems) lspci gives this result

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 02) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 02) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02) 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02) 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10) 05:01.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller 05:01.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCIxx12 OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller 05:01.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) 05:01.3 Generic system peripheral [0805]: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller

and lspci -n gives the following

00:00.0 0600: 8086:27a0 (rev 03) 00:02.0 0300: 8086:27a2 (rev 03) 00:02.1 0380: 8086:27a6 (rev 03) 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 02) 00:1c.0 0604: 8086:27d0 (rev 02) 00:1c.1 0604: 8086:27d2 (rev 02) 00:1c.2 0604: 8086:27d4 (rev 02) 00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:27c8 (rev 02) 00:1d.1 0c03: 8086:27c9 (rev 02) 00:1d.2 0c03: 8086:27ca (rev 02) 00:1d.3 0c03: 8086:27cb (rev 02) 00:1d.7 0c03: 8086:27cc (rev 02) 00:1e.0 0604: 8086:2448 (rev e2) 00:1f.0 0601: 8086:27b9 (rev 02) 00:1f.2 0101: 8086:27c4 (rev 02) 00:1f.3 0c05: 8086:27da (rev 02) 02:00.0 0280: 8086:4222 (rev 02) 04:00.0 0200: 11ab:4363 (rev 10) 05:01.0 0607: 104c:8039 05:01.1 0c00: 104c:803a 05:01.2 0180: 104c:803b 05:01.3 0805: 104c:803c

neither of which tell me a whole lot. I'm assuming that 02:00.0 0280: 8086:4222 is the intel Wireless driver, that being the case, what am I grabbing, and with what?

I've never had to mess around with drivers like this before, they've always just worked.
gus3

Mar 14, 2008
9:51 AM EDT
@ta:

You are correct, he means that 8086:4222 is the key ingredient in a driver search. And sure enough, the page at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/compone... has that string.

Best of luck, tracyanne. I know half-supported drivers can be a nightmare. My mom's printer right now is smoking some kind of crack...
Scott_Ruecker

Mar 14, 2008
10:26 AM EDT
Printers that smoke crack..cool..

NOT!

tuxchick

Mar 14, 2008
10:45 AM EDT
They go faster on crack.
techiem2

Mar 14, 2008
10:49 AM EDT
Like the Brother multifunction my sister has? *shudder* That was a pain in the neck to get printing to from Linux.. At least they give you instructions on the site...
tracyanne

Mar 14, 2008
1:30 PM EDT
@Gus

Quoting:You are correct, he means that 8086:4222 is the key ingredient in a driver search. And sure enough, the page at [HYPERLINK@ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net] has that string.


Except of course the Intel wireless card is supported just fine on my laptop, it's the laptop for my friend that I'm concerned about, I just dumped the lspci stuff there to find out more. But I get the point from your reply. I'll follow up on this on my friend's machine.
gus3

Mar 14, 2008
4:26 PM EDT
Right tracyanne, I meant to add a "N.B." at the end about that.

@Scott: You should see what it looks like when a printer hallucinates...
Scott_Ruecker

Mar 14, 2008
5:09 PM EDT
Now that I have seen!

;-)

edit: I was an HP sales rep part time for several years, printers..grrr
ColonelPanik

Mar 15, 2008
6:44 AM EDT
New wireless love coming to kernel 2.5.22 scroll down to 2.3 http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges#head-979321abaca3ed047...

Seems like some of those nasty WiFi cards will be usable soon.
ColonelPanik

Mar 15, 2008
6:59 AM EDT
This just in from Redmond, WA.

They say that if you play a Microsoft CD backwards, it plays Satanic music....That's nothing. If you play it forward it installs Windows!!!
azerthoth

Mar 15, 2008
2:02 PM EDT
Sorry for the delay, I spent yesterday flying back to Alaska.

Disregarding manufacturer means going for chipset versus a driver from who ever made the card. Many manufacturers use the same chip and one big mistake people make is that the driver for the card has to come from that manufacturer when it's the chipset they should be looking for. The chipset and where it is located on the bus is the key factor. Hence looking for the 8086:4222 instead of manufacturer driver or random chipset driver.

8086:4022 is the driver for that chipset at that bus location. Make sense now?
tracyanne

Mar 15, 2008
2:16 PM EDT
@azerthoth yeah thanks, I had worked that bit out.
tracyanne

Mar 15, 2008
2:21 PM EDT
I'm watching some videos from Microsoft's Mix08, on Search Engine Optimisation, interesting stuff, and once you get past the self congratulatory crap at the start (nearly turned it off during that sickening bit), fairly informative. But I had to laugh, because in the demos of page content they are using Firefox and the Web developer tools that are available as Firefox addons to show CSS and Javascript and contents of page elements.
gus3

Mar 15, 2008
2:31 PM EDT
@tracyanne: Please submit that as a story. That needs to go on the front page, like, yesterday!
tracyanne

Mar 15, 2008
2:46 PM EDT
Which bit the SEO stuff?
tracyanne

Mar 15, 2008
2:49 PM EDT
There's also a really boring presentation by Miguel De Icaza on Moonlight, and I mean boring. The man couldn't make a presentation to save himself.
Scott_Ruecker

Mar 15, 2008
2:49 PM EDT
gus3 took the words right out of my mouth!!

Please, Please consider writing about this whole experience if you wish too.

I have a funny feeling it would get posted to LXer..

I'm in tight with the guy in charge..

;-)
tuxchick

Mar 15, 2008
3:30 PM EDT
hey Scott, that's funny because I'm preparing a LXer expose: "Scott Ruecker: Towel Boy to the LXer Editor in Chief." Or should I say "Towel Man"?
tracyanne

Mar 15, 2008
3:48 PM EDT
I'll try to get something together, over the next couple of days, I'll need to view the stuff first anyway, don't expect great writing.
gus3

Mar 15, 2008
4:15 PM EDT
@tracyanne:

No, the bit about using Firefox at a MS demo.
tracyanne

Mar 15, 2008
4:22 PM EDT
gus , ok, very short article then.
Scott_Ruecker

Mar 15, 2008
4:25 PM EDT
That's "Towel Boy and Exclusive Counsel" to you..

LOL!!
tracyanne

Mar 20, 2008
8:15 PM EDT
I got the right driver installed, the Wireless on my friend's machine works fine now.
herzeleid

Mar 20, 2008
8:40 PM EDT
> I got the right driver installed, the Wireless on my friend's machine works fine now.

and the right driver was.... ? (fill in the blanks here)
gus3

Mar 20, 2008
8:40 PM EDT
Yay!

That's good to hear, tracyanne.
tracyanne

Mar 20, 2008
9:02 PM EDT
I'll have to find out again, it's on my friend's machine. I had to download the HP windows driver (I just followed Gus's advice), extract it into .wine then tell ndiswrapper where to find the .inf file for it. It just worked when I did that.
herzeleid

Mar 20, 2008
9:13 PM EDT
> I'll have to find out again, it's on my friend's machine. I had to download the HP windows driver (I just followed Gus's advice), extract it into .wine then tell ndiswrapper where to find the .inf file for it. It just worked when I did that.

Oh, so there wasn't a native solution - I take it it was an xp driver, not vista...

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