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| Abe Feb 02, 2008 3:53 PM EDT |
... But I like what I see so far.Quoting:So here’s my explanation of this slide: Microsoft wants to encourage the coexistence of two software stacks: a Microsoft Windows stack (Windows, Internet Information Services, SQL Server, .Net) and a Linux-free/Windows-centric LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) stack, minus the Linux– something like a “WAMP.” This slide is a picture of Microsoft’s ideal view of a WAMP stack.Microsoft wants to encourage the coexistence of two software stacks: ?!!! I wouldn't go that far, it is a simple a case of they have no choice. They are being forced because .Net has too much complexity while FOSS is simple but powerful. One question comes to mind is - Why would they want to encourage FOSS stack on windows when Linux as a server is far superior and cheaper?" They might succeed in the short term convincing Windows die hards. Eventually, everyone will see the advantages of Linux and it would be a snap to switch. Quoting:the company wants this software to be tied into the Windows ecosystem by integrating with Active Directory, Microsoft Office, Expression designer tools, System Center systems-management wares and SQL Server database.What the company wants, doesn't mean it will get: |
| hkwint Feb 03, 2008 1:37 AM EDT |
Ms. Foley states Microsoft tries to make Linux obsolete in the LAMP-stack. To me, this sounds rather ridiculous, if you have a WAMP stack, the only thing which is obsolete is Windows of course. There's no single merit in having WAMP over LAMP. It seems Microsoft understands this too, and therefore tiesy to lock their WAMP customers into their platforms. I remember from the 'secret' Microsoft documents which became public after the Ohio-hearing that for Microsoft it is more important that people use their platforms, than that people use their 'products'. Platforms, in this case, would be AD, probably OOXML and .NET, so that will be the direction Microsoft is pushing if somebody would use WAMP I guess. Sure, Linux has AD, OOXML and .NET 'support' too, but it will always be not as up to date and good as in Windows. So their platforms are their only chance to make their customers keep using Windows. Probably the biggest problem is people who use PHP and Java don't have a need for .NET in first place, since costs of migrating to .NET are very high. This can only mean they are desperate to lock those WAMP-users in into the other platforms they have. |
| jezuch Feb 03, 2008 4:00 AM EDT |
How about VAMP? Vista, Apache, Mysql, P-language? ;) The thing I think is the most interesting is: Quoting:“Our focus is getting OSS on top of Windows,” Ramji said Hah! A surrender! ;) Quoting:“And I’m focused on (providing) interoperability between the LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) and Windows stacks.” Correction: "...on (providing) an impression of interoperability..." I don't believe he thinks his bosses will allow him succeed in that. |
| Abe Feb 03, 2008 7:37 AM EDT |
Quoting:Platforms, in this case, would be AD, probably OOXML and .NET, so that will be the direction Microsoft is pushing if somebody would use WAMP I guess. Sure, Linux has AD, OOXML and .NET 'support' too, but it will always be not as up to date and good as in Windows. Good point Hkwint. It was going to be my 2nd part of my post when I was pulled away from my computer. In a heterogeneous environment, which is/will be dominant in the enterprise, AD will play an important role. With the EU-Microsoft deal to make AD specification available, Linux-Windows interoperability via AD is not going to be an issue. Keeping it up to date wouldn't be either since MS is obligated to release its updates fairly quickly. If MS doesn't, EU will force or penalize them. OOXML is not going to be Microsoft's only format, governments and enterprise organizations will dictate to Microsoft to adopt ODF, otherwise MS will lose a good portion of its Office market. If OOXML doesn't make it as an ISO standard, the leverage will even be stronger. .Net is good but its biggest weakness is its complexity. It is so complex it becomes painful and expensive to support. Many more will use FOSS stack instead. |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 03, 2008 8:17 AM EDT |
Microsoft's one and only interest is to ensure that everyone has to buy at least one of their products for every machine they run. At _least_. That's all they have ever wanted. |
| DarrenR114 Feb 04, 2008 7:02 AM EDT |
I much prefer a LAPPP stack (Linux-Apache-PostgreSQL-PERL-PHP) |
| tracyanne Feb 04, 2008 11:20 AM EDT |
I Like my LAMM stack (Linux Apache MySQL Mono) |
| tuxchick Feb 04, 2008 6:22 PM EDT |
I like a stack of pancakes with real maple syrup and butter. |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 04, 2008 6:36 PM EDT |
Quoting:I like a stack of pancakes with real maple syrup and butter. Make it a Waffle and I am right there with you Carla.. |
| gus3 Feb 04, 2008 8:56 PM EDT |
And a sausage or two next to the pancakes (or waffles). |
| Scott_Ruecker Feb 04, 2008 9:22 PM EDT |
Sausage..Bacon..Hash Browns (dark).. Mmmm... Good... |
| gus3 Feb 04, 2008 9:42 PM EDT |
Keep that up and you won't have any room on your plate for the LAMP/LAPPP stack. |
| tracyanne Feb 04, 2008 11:05 PM EDT |
Quoting:Keep that up and you won't have any room on your plate for the LAMP/LAPPP stack. Or the Lamm. |
| jezuch Feb 05, 2008 2:19 AM EDT |
Sausage with maple syrup. That sounds... interesting. |
| jdixon Feb 05, 2008 4:47 AM EDT |
Sausage with maple syrup. That sounds... interesting. That's one word for it, yes. Hmm, time for a HAM stack. :) Added: Since the above can be taken several ways, I should add that I agree with Bob below. Maple syrup goes well with sausage, bacon, and ham. |
| Bob_Robertson Feb 05, 2008 5:23 AM EDT |
> Sausage with maple syrup. That sounds... interesting. What? The syrup stayed only on your pancakes, never sloshing down onto your bacon or sausage? (and I wonder why my cholesterol is so bad) Seriously maple bacon and maple sausage are _wonderful_. But then, maple syrup on tire rubber would probably taste good to me. There were a couple of old sugar-maples where I lived for several years. Sometimes a branch would get broken during winter from ice or something, and in the cold a sap-icicle would form. Wonderful, crunchy, sweet. I miss the North East! |
| gus3 Feb 05, 2008 7:50 AM EDT |
Some sweetened meats (esp. porks) are delicious. For example: ham w/ cherry sauce on Christmas apple-smoked ham (gr8 job Dad!) In fact, when Dad smoked the ham, it was so incredibly tasty, my brother and I realized we couldn't make fun of Dad's cooking any more. Even the leathery outer layers didn't go to waste. Oops, we have wandered off yet again. ;-) |
| hkwint Feb 07, 2008 8:46 AM EDT |
In my country they like WEED-stek(je)s. |
| tracyanne Feb 07, 2008 12:10 PM EDT |
Quoting:In fact, when Dad smoked the ham, So cigarettes weren't good enough for him. Did he use a Pipe or rollies? |
| jezuch Feb 07, 2008 2:45 PM EDT |
And I'm vegetarian ;) |
| NoDough Feb 08, 2008 5:42 AM EDT |
>> And I'm vegetarian ;) So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that you smoke the real stuff. Right? :) |
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