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| SFN Mar 01, 2007 6:48 AM EDT |
Quoting:...Dell becoming aggressive (with others likely to follow) with SUSE Linux...Huh? Quoting:By Rob EnderleOh. |
| Bob_Robertson Mar 01, 2007 6:58 AM EDT |
> By Rob Enderle That does indeed say everything that needs to be said. So, if Ogara and Enderle were to have kids, would they look like Bill Gates? |
| SFN Mar 01, 2007 7:04 AM EDT |
Quoting:So, if Ogara and Enderle were to have kids Stop! Not another word! |
| bigg Mar 01, 2007 7:08 AM EDT |
I will give him credit for having a reasonable article. Not that I agree with everything he wrote, but I didn't do any head scratching due to Kramer-from-Seinfeld style arguments. I see Apple and Linux as serving different markets. I think they could easily co-exist as co-leaders of the OS market. He makes a good point about Microsoft getting into the hardware business more all the time, and thus competing with its customers. |
| tuxchick Mar 01, 2007 7:08 AM EDT |
"if Ogara and Enderle were to have kids" shriek! Noooo! Terrorist! |
| jimf Mar 01, 2007 9:28 AM EDT |
"if Ogara and Enderle were to have kids" Lol, and a few years down the line I can see.... Ahh... Oggie, Endie... You haven't been doing well this semester. I'm afraid you're we're going to have to put you on a Mac. |
| dinotrac Mar 01, 2007 9:29 AM EDT |
This was actually a pretty interesting analysis, even if viewed from a Microsoft POV. Linux no longer lags Windows as a desktop OS by very much. For some people, like me, it is infinitely better than Windows. Given discussions in other threads with regard to Windows refunds, it was interesting to see Enderle touch on the profitability issues with Linux. I agree with him, at least in desktop space. In server space, Linux is not viewed as a bargain basement solution except for the fact that it can run on commodity hardware. Linux does server tasks very well. In desktop space, Linux has the "it don't run this" problem, which makes it seem to be a lesser value. Some money poured into KDE and/or other desktop application projects, as well as good marketing, could change a lot of perceptions... |
| jimf Mar 01, 2007 9:47 AM EDT |
> In desktop space, Linux has the "it don't run this" problem, which makes it seem to be a lesser value. To be fair, and looking at it in the other direction, more than a few Linux things won't run on Windows either. And, Linux does continue to progress in this area. > Some money poured into KDE and/or other desktop application projects, as well as good marketing, could change a lot of perceptions... Absolutely. Maybe we can get Bill's charitable organization to contribute... Oh no?... Well, never mind ;-) |
| DarrenR114 Mar 01, 2007 9:51 AM EDT |
I think it would be more likely that it would be DiDio and Enderle. After all, they used to be co-workers at Gartner spin-off "GIGA". |
| dcparris Mar 01, 2007 10:44 AM EDT |
Well, that might be why you haven't seen DiDio and Enderle. ;-) |
| tracyanne Mar 01, 2007 12:17 PM EDT |
quote::For some time Microsoft has been showing signs that things aren’t going well. Vista was late, and they had to delay it even more to ensure that Dell was not unfairly advantaged. From Dell’s perspective, Dell was penalized because they had a model that was more efficient than its competitors and they believe that Microsoft contributed, with intent, to them missing their quarter and having to both fire their CEO and bring the founder back from retirement. To suggest that Michael Dell is upset with Microsoft would be to vastly understate the situation. Livid would probably be more accurate. And as we rolled to the launch, Dell in particular was becoming more and more upset that Microsoft was not listening to them and certainly not being responsive to their needs. ::quote This, more than anything, probably explains Dell's latest flirtation with Linux. |
| tracyanne Mar 01, 2007 12:30 PM EDT |
quote:: In desktop space, Linux has the "it don't run this" problem, which makes it seem to be a lesser value. Some money poured into KDE and/or other desktop application projects, as well as good marketing, could change a lot of perceptions...::quote This is basically the problem with Linux that this bloke points out. It's a very real problem, and a show stopper most of the time. Yes there are often very good alternatives, but very often those alternative are not seen as standards or capable of integrating with Industry standards, for example Quick books and Quicken - I could easilty sell Linux desktops to small business (that's real small business 1 - 3 people) if only those applications were easily available on Linux. |
| dinotrac Mar 01, 2007 12:58 PM EDT |
>To be fair, and looking at it in the other direction, more than a few Linux things won't run on Windows either. And, Linux does continue to progress in this area. Fair maybe, but silly. This is not a matter of "I've got 50 on my side and you've got 60 on yours." What matters is the things that people want to run, and most of those are on Windows. A number of Linux apps are very nice alternatives to Windows ware, but even those need to be heard of and learned. |
| tuxchick Mar 01, 2007 1:07 PM EDT |
I still think we need to do something about bob's "if Ogara and Enderle were to have kids" comment. I think I'm going to need therapy to get over that one. |
| azerthoth Mar 01, 2007 1:39 PM EDT |
I thought that they named that kid Laura (Didiot) DiDio. |
| jimf Mar 01, 2007 1:41 PM EDT |
> What matters is the things that people want to run, and most of those are on Windows. That's a real catch 22. My suspicion is that large part of what MS touts as being the trend becomes 'what people want', not for any superior or specific function, but just because it's the fad. Actually Dino, it's the idea that Linux is just gonna run all my old Windows apps, and everything will work exactly the same is the real 'silliness'. Linux is a whole new OS. It's only natural that many things will be 'different'. Many of us think that different is far superior. It's great that Linux provide alternatives to windows apps (and even ways to run the native ones), but, I for one, don't want Linux to become anything like clone of windows. That's totally unacceptable. If that means that some can't or won't ween themselves away from from Windoz, so be it. |
| dcparris Mar 01, 2007 2:28 PM EDT |
Quoting:I still think we need to do something about bob's "if Ogara and Enderle were to have kids" comment. I think I'm going to need therapy to get over that one. The counselor is "in". Get over it. That'll be $1.00. Sorry, but Lucy had to raise her rates, and she takes a bit of a cut from her understudies. Nevertheless, in order to mitigate potential future litigation I'll encourage Bob to add references to Enderle and Didiot/Gara/etc. to the list of violations in the ToS. |
| tuxchick Mar 01, 2007 3:49 PM EDT |
I feel much better now, kthx |
| dcparris Mar 01, 2007 4:06 PM EDT |
:-) |
| Bob_Robertson Mar 01, 2007 4:14 PM EDT |
Being a libertarian anarchist capitalist gun toting Linux using Austrian economist, I tend to offend people by just _existing_. My most humble apologies to anyone injured in this thread. However, since I didn't start the thread, I don't consider myself to have _initiated_ force. :^) |
| dcparris Mar 01, 2007 5:07 PM EDT |
Bob_R: All you need now is a pouch of Red Man chewing tobacco, and you'd fit right in in the Carolinas. ;-) |
| jdixon Mar 01, 2007 5:26 PM EDT |
> Bob_R: All you need now is a pouch of Red Man chewing tobacco, and you'd fit right in in the Carolinas. Well, he'd still need a Tar Heels bumper sticker. Though here at Myrtle Beach he could probably get by with a WVU one. |
| jdixon Mar 01, 2007 5:33 PM EDT |
> ... for example Quick books and Quicken... Well, Quicken is supported by Codeweavers' Crossover Office. I suspect they're working on Quickbooks. |
| tracyanne Mar 01, 2007 5:39 PM EDT |
quote:: Well, Quicken is supported by Codeweavers' Crossover Office. I suspect they're working on Quickbooks.: quote not well, not all versions, and not conveniently unfortunately. You have to want to use Linux, not want to use a computer that happens to have Linux on it. |
| jdixon Mar 01, 2007 5:48 PM EDT |
> not well, not all versions, and not conveniently unfortunately. Well, Codeweavers doesn't list a version on their list of supported apps, but they do list Quicken as a supported app, so I'm sure they'd be willing to work on any problems with you. Quickbooks obviously isn't there yet. |
| tuxchick Mar 01, 2007 6:31 PM EDT |
Since Intuit did the TurboTax spyware thing, I don't use any Intuit products under any circumstances. |
| dinotrac Mar 02, 2007 3:05 AM EDT |
>Since Intuit did the TurboTax spyware thing, I don't use any Intuit products under any circumstances. You are not the problem. It's all those other silly people. |
| Bob_Robertson Mar 02, 2007 3:42 AM EDT |
"you'd fit right in in the Carolinas" Ooops, sorry, I forgot one: Atheist. So no, I don't fit in in the Carolinas. :^( California was wonderful, best weather I've ever experienced, but a very intrusive government. I joined the Free State Project, but my wife saw "snow" and won't move there. ...So I'm stuck in the Bible belt. It's clear that my address is already on some "no visit" list, because soon after I moved here one group of evangelical Baptists came to get to "know" me, and then no one else. Very strange, I see the Mormon's doing mission on their bicycles too, but they never seem to make it to where I live. Hmmmm.... I was thinking of handing out a care-package, a Knoppix CD and a Richard Dawkins DVD, but then realized I'd get lynched by a bunch of respectable types. |
| SFN Mar 02, 2007 4:52 AM EDT |
Quoting:So I'm stuck in the Bible belt. It's clear that my address is already on some "no visit" list, because soon after I moved here one group of evangelical Baptists came to get to "know" me, and then no one else. Very strange, I see the Mormon's doing mission on their bicycles too, but they never seem to make it to where I live.I have something similar. All of the various faith peddlers come by to talk to the others in my home but they won't talk to me. As a matter of fact, if I'm outside mowing the lawn or washing the car or whatever, they cross the street as they pass my house then cross back after they pass. I've checked in the mirror for the pentagram but I can't find it. I'd feel slighted but I don't enjoy talking to people - peddlers or otherwise - so it works for me. |
| azerthoth Mar 02, 2007 12:26 PM EDT |
I know why they dont visit me. Has something to do with a friend and his very goth sister visiting one day. The doorbell rang and she kindly went to see who it was. She opened the door and without missing a beat called over her shoulder "The sacrifices are here". I swear we saw smoke coming from those bicycle tires as they receded down the driveway. Regardless of how wierd she gets sometimes for that alone she is always welcome in my house. |
| tracyanne Mar 02, 2007 12:26 PM EDT |
What would be really good is if a FOSS accounting application were to support the Quick Books and Quicken File Formats, for both read and write. That would be a really good start. |
| techiem2 Mar 02, 2007 12:48 PM EDT |
Gnucash imported my old quicken (99 or 2000? I think) files quite well when I switched over (I believe I did the quicken export to qif and then imported that). Though unfortunately most of the other linux finance apps I tried at the time didn't. (I tried many at that time to see what would import and how well) |
| Bob_Robertson Mar 02, 2007 1:08 PM EDT |
I've heard that Gnucash is getting better and better. Personally, I've never needed anything more complex than a spreadsheet. The first time I heard of the "no convert list", someone I know was warned by a neighbor that "the Witnesses are heading your way", so they dressed up in black robes (yes, they had some, don't know why) and candles, and met them at the door. They, too, were never visited again by any denomination. Goth chicks are cool. Nothing phases them. Do a Google images search for "harajuku" for some good Japanese Goth stuff. I was walking through Harajuku one day, and the Hare Krishna were there too, handing out bags of popcorn and singing and dancing. Brightly dressed Goth chicks munching on saffron-yellow bags of popcorn... I miss Tokyo. |
| tracyanne Mar 02, 2007 1:12 PM EDT |
I saw this on a zdnet blog here http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12554-0.html?forumID=1&thread... , and I think it's well worth thinking about. quote::For desktop Linux to be viable, it has to ... ... be readily available to consumers -- which means that Dell needs to support whever distributions it selects to pre-load. Dell gets to decide which distributions of Linux it will pre-load and Dell gets to choose which hardware configurations to support. Just like they do with Windows. Dell's 'real' concern is that they won't sell enough systems with (any distribution of) Linux pre-loaded to pay the costs of establishing a support model. Ultimately, this is a chicken-or-the-egg problem. You can't get enough consumer customers unless you provide support but you cannot afford to provide support unless you have enough consumer customers. Dell can only afford to do this if they have a major Linux vendor willing to partner with them to make Desktop Linux a viable consumer product. So far, no Linux vendor has been willing to take that leap. It's no one's fault but their own. ::quote The important bit here, I think is this quote:: Ultimately, this is a chicken-or-the-egg problem. You can't get enough consumer customers unless you provide support but you cannot afford to provide support unless you have enough consumer customers. Dell can only afford to do this if they have a major Linux vendor willing to partner with them to make Desktop Linux a viable consumer product. So far, no Linux vendor has been willing to take that leap. It's no one's fault but their own. ::quote I think it would be a useful exercise if those 95,000 + people, who told Dell they want Linux, were to rev up the Linux vendors. I think it might be interesting to see what transpires. It certainly can't make things any worse. |
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