Make Microsoft want to step back
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| Libervis Nov 20, 2006 5:41 PM EDT |
1.) Make GPLv3 extend any patent no-suing promises to all covered software. 2.) License core GNU/Linux tools (the GNU system) under GPLv3 3.) By that essentially extend Microsoft's patent promise to all this GPLv3 covered software distributed by Novell 4.) Therefore make Microsoft want to withdraw from the deal in order to prevent this "patent leaking". Either that or Microsoft should force Novell to stop distributing GPLv3 software (yeah right). It's kind of funny really, but quite cunning. :) |
| dcparris Nov 20, 2006 5:52 PM EDT |
Well, wouldn't GPLv3 already make it difficult for Microsoft to sue Linux users? After all, they do use Linux and FOSS in their much bally-hooed Linux Lab. |
| rijelkentaurus Nov 20, 2006 5:58 PM EDT |
>Well, wouldn't GPLv3 already make it difficult for Microsoft to sue Linux users? After all, they do use Linux and FOSS in their much bally-hooed Linux Lab. I wish we could outlaw hypocrisy sometimes. |
| dinotrac Nov 20, 2006 6:41 PM EDT |
1.It's kind of funny really, but quite cunning. :) Not remotely cunning. It will never happen. Linux will not be released under V3 unless it is seriously reworked. If core tools come out under V3 and V3 is not compatible with V2 -- I predict a repeat of XFree86->x.org. |
| helios Nov 21, 2006 2:04 AM EDT |
...I predict a repeat of XFree86->x.org. Brilliant! I now await KwonTrains from the great KnowsroDomus.. Seriously, that is a remarkable insight and I give you that assurance in the event you think my ebonic gesture was in scartasm. THIS though, could get bloodier within the ranks. We work at much closer quarters. h |
| dinotrac Nov 21, 2006 2:23 AM EDT |
helios - I hope that it doesn't happen. Part of me even thinks that it won't happen. As a human being who doesn't know the human beings who are involved in making all of this stuff happen, I see lots of things that look like red flags. That, I think, is what's tough about this world where you can feel so connected and yet so distant. You can size somebody up when you shake their hand, bend an elbow with them, get involved in a deep, philosophical discussion. Watching at a distance, you can merely think you know who they are. My overall impression of RMS, Moglen, and V3 is that people have lost their way. But...it is also possible that they are casting bread on water, determined to discover how far they can go without killing the patient. With the boundaries staked, they may cannily nestle right up against them. One hopes. At any rate, it demonstrates the incredible power of free software -- not to mention brilliance of GPLV2 -- that and xfree86->x.org move could even be contemplated. RMS gave us a gift so good (the GPL) that, if need be, it will protect us from its own creator. |
| Libervis Nov 21, 2006 2:52 AM EDT |
I'm not sure if it is worth comparing the xfree86 with GNU. There is much more in GNU than the GCC or even the whole toolchain. Something tells me a fork might not be very successful. It would require a huge amount of people supporting it for it to ever work and will there be so many people opposed to GPLv3? I wonder why would there be. You are clearly opposed, the kernel guys are opposed. But is there really enough people to pull a support needed for such a massive fork as the GNU fork would be? Quoting:My overall impression of RMS, Moglen, and V3 is that people have lost their way. Maybe you don't understand what exactly their way is. From my perspective what they are doing to GPLv3 comes from exactly the same goal and philosophy they've had since RMS started the movement. And you certainly weren't the only one to criticize their strategy on the way. There were many others, but despite of that it was shown that the long term thinking of the FSF and sticking to the fundamental principles, did good. GPLv2 is a product of that kind of thinking as well. |
| dinotrac Nov 21, 2006 3:01 AM EDT |
>I'm not sure if it is worth comparing the xfree86 with GNU. There is much more in GNU than the GCC or even the whole toolchain. That's fine. So what? If the GPLV3 is not compatible with the GPLV2, the primary mover for all of that stuff is gone. Then you have a nice toolchain that merits a big, "So what?" |
| jdixon Nov 21, 2006 6:11 AM EDT |
> I hope that it doesn't happen. Part of me even thinks that it won't happen. I hope not. The manpower required to fork and maintain the GNU toolset is something we really can't afford. |
| swbrown Nov 21, 2006 6:20 AM EDT |
A lot of people seem to not have understood the FSF from the beginning and are now looking confused as they close the 'Tivoize' and 'Noviolate' loopholes. Either that, or they'd confused Linus for the leader of the Free Software movement. Maybe they also weren't paying attention in 1999 when the licenses were last changed and the world didn't end. Regardless, this is a good thing, and isn't anything to be surprised about if you've actually read the licenses and taken the time to understand them. These things were supposed to not be permissible in the first place as they run counter to the basic freedoms, and they obviously can't be allowed to continue. |
| dinotrac Nov 21, 2006 6:31 AM EDT |
sw - I'll admit to not understanding the FSF at this point. That, I think, is the problem. |
| Libervis Nov 21, 2006 8:51 AM EDT |
What a gracious admission! :) |
| dinotrac Nov 21, 2006 9:40 AM EDT |
>What a gracious admission! :) If only it were. With any luck, they will become comprehensible again. |
| dek Nov 21, 2006 11:59 AM EDT |
>>they will become comprehensible again. Maybe it's you that's incomprehensibble! (I'm not taking sides here but just saw a chance to poke the dino a bit!) ;-D |
| dinotrac Nov 21, 2006 12:12 PM EDT |
dek - I pride myself on incomprehensibabble. |
| dek Nov 21, 2006 12:47 PM EDT |
Pride goeth before a fall, my goodperson! Beware lest ye be come comprehensibibble again! ;-) |
| tuxchick Nov 21, 2006 1:58 PM EDT |
I'm very proud of my humility. I bet no one here is as humble as me. |
| rijelkentaurus Nov 21, 2006 2:27 PM EDT |
>I'm very proud of my humility. I bet no one here is as humble as me. I'd take you up on that bet, but MY humility forbids such audacious exhibitions of pride. |
| jdixon Nov 21, 2006 3:59 PM EDT |
> I'm very proud of my humility. I bet no one here is as humble as me. TC, everyone knows that your personal nickname is Pooh-Bah. :) |
| dcparris Nov 21, 2006 4:35 PM EDT |
Oh, come on, people! Show some pride! Don't tell me I've surrounded myself with a bunch of altruistic, humblebums! Where's the pride, the arrogance, the pure jealousy over my legs? /runs off screaming, pulling hair out (Oh yeah, what hair? Already did that!). |
| dek Nov 21, 2006 5:03 PM EDT |
@ TC I'm very proud of my humility. I bet no one here is as humble as me. Is that something on the order of MIcrosoft Works? ;-) |
| rijelkentaurus Nov 21, 2006 5:35 PM EDT |
>Where's the pride, the arrogance As Don McClean sang in "Everybody Love Me, Baby": 'The ocean parts when I walk through The clouds dissolve and the sky turns blue.' Yeah, that's me. |
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