and the not-entry level versions are better?
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| tuxchick2 Oct 27, 2006 10:53 AM EDT |
So much humor, so few to appreciate it. |
| techiem2 Oct 27, 2006 11:01 AM EDT |
Sure they are! They're better at..um...using up your cpu time, ram, and video ram! |
| jdixon Oct 27, 2006 11:13 AM EDT |
It's worse than a lemon. I can't even make lemonade from it. :( |
| jsusanka Oct 27, 2006 1:10 PM EDT |
what is funny or not so funny - is that my company just came out and said that all pc beginning in q1 of 2008 will have vista installed. all the reasons they gave suse desktop already has - better security, better search function, better manageability. oh ya one of the execs said they were impressed. It's a joke - I would bet my bottom dollar that no one did a line by line comparison of vista and suse linux enterprise. ( I use suse linux just as an example - substitute you own favorite distro). Now they are going to spend all 2007 getting applications ready for vista. Can we say even more coporate lockin and even more internet exploder only web pages. this is why vista will be claimed a success because of more coporate braindead policies that do zero research and are decided my marketing people who became IT CIO's. uh just chose vista its okay - and then we can come up with all the impressive power point presentations on how we are going to prepare our apps. In the meantime we will ignore any industry standards. what a joke. |
| jimf Oct 27, 2006 1:26 PM EDT |
> execs said they were impressed An interesting commentary on MS's continuing ability to promote manure, and Corporate 'execs' failure to utilize the expertise and resources of IT and other technical staff and independant consultants. MS and Corporate mismanagement, what a perfect match. |
| helios Oct 27, 2006 6:56 PM EDT |
...MS and Corporate mismanagement, what a perfect match. Jim, I figured as soon as you went from preview to send, it crossed your mind so let me do the typing...although you are better qualified to speak on the subject. Yes, the CEO's and Corporate Suits are rubbin' butts with MS sales and Field Support Teams....MS has an entire program they run their face-to-face people through in order to teach them "likeability". My sister married a mid/high level MS manager years ago so I know some of the silly things they go thru. As you know I just finished changing over a fairly large company from Windows server 2003/xp to Linux and the Apache server. It will become clear in my forthcoming report to the community, but I had little to do with the decision. Wait...I had nothing to do with the decision. A strange mix of fate, good timing and God's Grace landed me at the desk of Chuck E. Owens (CEO to us employees) and his demands were simple. "Get that SH** off of my computers." In: Boise Spokane San Jose Buffalo Las Vegas Reno Phoenix Tucson Oklahoma City "And Get it off NOW." Chuck's hatred of MS came about via the BSA. Once he found the ties between MS and the BSA, anger was his primary coat of many colors. I was and still am simply the handiest tool to do his bidding. No...the CEO was not the problem with these migrations. Can you guess who stuck their foot out for me to trip over in the cafeterias? The SysAdmins...MSCE types who saw their jobs evaporating with the approach of a Middle-aged, bespeckled Linux Advocate. It was warfare plain and simple...The guy in San Jose had the locks changed on the server rooms and password protected all computers during non-work hours. Chuck's directive was simple. Allow us to pay for your Linux Server/Desktop Certification(s) or hit the streets. Two left within an hour of recieving the notice. Most of us either fear or detest change...it's our nature....but when politics and job security are thrown into the equation, it becomes even harder to effect. So standby for news...I simply wanted to share my experiences with MS SysAdmins from a large beverage distributing company. Not one of them looked forward to this chnage, but two thirds of the ones who remain are impressed...and bored. They still cannot get their heads around the fact that patches are so few. What kind of way is THAT to run a computing environment? h |
| dcparris Oct 27, 2006 7:14 PM EDT |
O.k. already! I'm frothing at the mouth! I've broken out in a sweat and I'm on the edge of my seat! Oh look, here comes the straight jacket! Goody! |
| jimf Oct 27, 2006 7:34 PM EDT |
I mostly worked in smaller Engineering driven outfits, so most of the time msce had little to do with the OS or software chosen. Most times the Engineering manager would know enough to trust his Engineers and be able to sell a concept to the CEO. On the other hand, I remember one Engineering manager back in the DOS days, who claimed to be computer literate. He came to me yelling about how nothing worked on his computer. Turns out that he didn't like the directory names and renamed 'all of them' including the system directory. helois, you don't know how lucky you were to run into someone in a position of power who had the sense to recognize a good thing when he saw it ;-) |
| dcparris Oct 27, 2006 8:58 PM EDT |
Then there's the IT team who knowingly signed their souls over to Microsoft, only to wind up griping a few weeks later about getting shtuck by the licensing. They really are brilliant guys. Now if only they could just muster up the courage to break the mold... |
| herzeleid Oct 27, 2006 9:09 PM EDT |
Quoting:"Get that SH** off of my computers." In:I would have given anything to see that - participating in that sort of supportive environment is my dream job. |
| dinotrac Oct 28, 2006 5:22 AM EDT |
Helios! Helios! He's our man, if he can't do it, no one can. You can understand the plight of MS sysadmins, though. Lots of jobs out there. After all, an MS sysadmin is a busy sysadmin. |
| jsusanka Oct 28, 2006 10:07 AM EDT |
"...MS and Corporate mismanagement, what a perfect match. Jim, I figured as soon as you went from preview to send, it crossed your mind so let me do the typing...although you are better qualified to speak on the subject. Yes, the CEO's and Corporate Suits are rubbin' butts with MS sales and Field Support Teams....MS has an entire program they run their face-to-face people through in order to teach them "likeability". My sister married a mid/high level MS manager years ago so I know some of the silly things they go thru. As you know I just finished changing over a fairly large company from Windows server 2003/xp to Linux and the Apache server. It will become clear in my forthcoming report to the community, but I had little to do with the decision. Wait...I had nothing to do with the decision. A strange mix of fate, good timing and God's Grace landed me at the desk of Chuck E. Owens (CEO to us employees) and his demands were simple. "Get that SH** off of my computers." In: Boise Spokane San Jose Buffalo Las Vegas Reno Phoenix Tucson Oklahoma City "And Get it off NOW." Chuck's hatred of MS came about via the BSA. Once he found the ties between MS and the BSA, anger was his primary coat of many colors. I was and still am simply the handiest tool to do his bidding. No...the CEO was not the problem with these migrations. Can you guess who stuck their foot out for me to trip over in the cafeterias? The SysAdmins...MSCE types who saw their jobs evaporating with the approach of a Middle-aged, bespeckled Linux Advocate. It was warfare plain and simple...The guy in San Jose had the locks changed on the server rooms and password protected all computers during non-work hours. Chuck's directive was simple. Allow us to pay for your Linux Server/Desktop Certification(s) or hit the streets. Two left within an hour of recieving the notice. Most of us either fear or detest change...it's our nature....but when politics and job security are thrown into the equation, it becomes even harder to effect. So standby for news...I simply wanted to share my experiences with MS SysAdmins from a large beverage distributing company. Not one of them looked forward to this chnage, but two thirds of the ones who remain are impressed...and bored. They still cannot get their heads around the fact that patches are so few. What kind of way is THAT to run a computing environment? h" I love what Chuck said - is he looking for linux people? I want to work for a man that actually sees companies for what they are. Just guessing he also sounds like he has some morals and ethics and applies them to the way he runs the company. BSA is nothing but a Microsoft ran company. Plain and simple. I am so sick of the middle management brain dead decisions going on at my company - It is a joke - everybody is just waiting to retire and afraid to make any kind of an original decision - it is kind of sad. |
| jimf Oct 28, 2006 10:18 AM EDT |
> afraid to make any kind of an original decision As a rule Large Corporate Business discourages and in many cases actually punishes origional thought. Decisions and policy are to be made by committees of questionably qualified sycophants. |
| herzeleid Oct 28, 2006 10:28 AM EDT |
Quoting: jimf: As a rule Large Corporate Business discourages and in many cases actually punishes original thought. Decisions and policy are to be made by committees of questionably qualified sycophants.jimf, that certainly rings true. It's tedious and discouraging for good techs to work in typical corporate America, where clueless PHBs and beancounters shout down competent, experienced, fully qualified technical ppl when it comes to IT architecture and platform choices. Reading about that "Get that SH** off of my computers." was a breath of fresh air! The freedom inherent in a work environment like that seems intoxicating. |
| dinotrac Oct 28, 2006 1:30 PM EDT |
>As a rule Large Corporate Business discourages and in many cases actually punishes original thought. Which has an ambiguous impact on Linux uptake. The place I'm consulting at for the moment (and Yikes!!! I need to find work soon) is part of a corporation that is bulling ahead with a move from Novell Groupwise to Microsoft Outlook mail -- and of course Exchange server, yada-yada. I'm sure that's not the stupidest thing a body could do, but I hard-pressed to think of one that doesn't involve nail guns, alcohol, and stupid young men. At the same time, the unit in which I presently toil is working to move its critical business applications from AIX servers to Linux. It makes sense to me in a certain way - back=end servers need to be understand by back=end server-y type people. However, Joe Schmoe and, ahem, Mr. CEO see the desktop stuff and think they know what they like. Sigh. |
| jimf Oct 28, 2006 1:42 PM EDT |
> Which has an ambiguous impact on Linux uptake. At this point in history, Linux is such an obvious choice, to the IT and technical community, that it definitely has a large, and usually negative, impact. > think they know what they like So once again, the least qualified end up making the decisions. |
| dinotrac Oct 28, 2006 2:14 PM EDT |
> So once again, the least qualified end up making the decisions. Only sometimes. Let's not forget, Linux is being used and it's use is growing. At some point, dollars and sense and "Gosh, we don't need to need so many admins" plays a role. Businesses are in business to make money. The almighty dollar is our friend. |
| jimf Oct 28, 2006 3:06 PM EDT |
> Linux is being used and it's use is growing At least in most of the outfits I've worked in it still comes down to the CEOs and upper management mingeling with the same from other companies at the trade shows. Something like "gee Frank, what's your company using now" Frank answers back ""hey Joe, were all using stuff from XYZ". Pretty soon they're all using XYZ cause 'it's the safe bet'. Linux will really have arived when it becomes that. Until then it will be a hard sell. |
| herzeleid Oct 28, 2006 3:19 PM EDT |
Quoting: jimf: Something like "gee Frank, what's your company using now" Frank answers back ""hey Joe, were all using stuff from XYZ". Pretty soon they're all using XYZ cause 'it's the safe bet'. Linux will really have arrived when it becomes that. Until then it will be a hard sell.I built a really nice spam/virus quarantine system for our company using only linux and FOSS. It's a major company, with 13,000 users, and we block something like 10 million spam messages per month. The system works really well, and each user has access via a web interface to control the quarantine, settings, whitelist/blacklist etc. The system catches around 98% of the spam, with few false positives, which any user can retrieve from their personal quarantine in any event. We have an affiliate back in Kentucky, and the IT dept is unfortunately run by microsoft fan boys. They decided to attack their spam problem by purchasing a commercial,. ms-windoze based "spam filter". They paid $400,000 for it, and it catches maybe 60% of the spam. They asked us what we're using, and when we told them about it they turned green. Then they wanted us to help them fix their crappy system. We told them the best thing they could do us run a linux spam gateway like ours, but their reaction was "oh... we don't know linux". Last I hear they were planning to throw lots more money at their current windoze-based solution, in an effort to raise it's effectiveness. I kid you not. These are supposedly IT professionals. And dimwits like these wonder why their jobs are getting outsourced to India |
| jimf Oct 28, 2006 3:27 PM EDT |
> getting outsourced to India Well actually, the whole industry I was in got outsourced to Korea, but, same difference. |
| helios Oct 29, 2006 1:17 PM EDT |
"...helois, you don't know how lucky you were to run into someone in a position of power who had the sense to recognize a good thing when he saw it " Trust me my friend, I know exactly how fortunate I am to have this minor miracle grace my life...but I stammer to pronounce as luck. Many prayers flowed on my behalf, and to dismiss the event as luck would (at least to me) be mocking The Majesty that bestowed these blessings upon me. Now...hitting the lottery ticket tonight...we'll slam-dunk that directly into the luck catagory... then maybe I should wear a dunce cap for the thought...maybe |
| jimf Oct 29, 2006 1:29 PM EDT |
helios, I know You grabbed it and ran with it. That's all anyone wanted or expected. You deserve it :D |
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