If I see another Ubuntu article
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| devnet Sep 13, 2006 3:42 PM EDT |
I'm going to explode in laughter! Really, it's getting down right silly! You'd think there was no other distro on the face of the planet (and some people would outright agree with me there). I counted 5 out of 9 front page items the other day on digg were Ubuntu (front of Linux/Unix). Honestly, I can't understand it. It's not bad. It works. It's not as nice as a handful of distros. I just get tired of seeing it. I mean, many of the articles could just as well have "Linux" inserted for "Ubuntu" and would be just fine. I'd welcome those articles. But when one is Ubuntu-ized to death, one starts to loathe that which one liked before. |
| dcparris Sep 13, 2006 4:50 PM EDT |
Note to self: write a series of articles about Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu. Send to devnet, along with a set of Ubuntu CDs from shippit. Oh yeah. Include Ubuntu cap, t-shirt & mug. And do it for the Humanity of us all. :-D |
| jimf Sep 13, 2006 4:51 PM EDT |
You just need to put out a bulletin every time anyone at PCLOS sneezes. Pretty soon you'll be as trendy as they are :D |
| SFN Sep 13, 2006 5:32 PM EDT |
I was actually stunned that the two or three most recent articles that mentioned Ubuntu favorably didn't have rants from devnet attached. I had begun to suspect foul play. Almost called out the hounds. |
| dinotrac Sep 13, 2006 5:39 PM EDT |
>I had begun to suspect foul play. Almost called out the hounds. The story I'd heard was that devnet met up with some guy tenved and the two annihilated each other on contact. |
| jdixon Sep 13, 2006 6:16 PM EDT |
> I was actually stunned that the two or three most recent articles that mentioned Ubuntu favorably didn't have rants from devnet attached. I was tempted to take on his role with the "The Future of Hardware Compatibility Lists in Linux" article. If I'd known it was going to turn into a Ubuntu love fest half way through I wouldn't have bothered reading it. |
| cjcox Sep 13, 2006 7:45 PM EDT |
Ubunter.com? Sounds awkward... |
| Libervis Sep 14, 2006 7:39 AM EDT |
Hmm, ok there are alot of stories about Ubuntu, but what's there to wonder about? There are also lots of stories about Mac and Windows Vista too. What is popular will always be talked about the most. Devnet, your real gripe seems to be the fact that Ubuntu is the most popular distro on the planet, but you can't change that can you? And you know what, I can't either and I don't desire to change that. All things considered I think Ubuntu deserves the status that it has. I tried PCLinuxOS which you advocate just to find it including proprietary software by default. Ubuntu doesn't do that. So excuse me for not considering it anymore, unless you can give me a default PCLinuxOS livecd which is 100% Free Software and then let *me* decide what else to install on top. Of course, correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you |
| SFN Sep 14, 2006 8:00 AM EDT |
Quoting:I tried PCLinuxOS which you advocate just to find it including proprietary software by default. I had the same problem but for a different reason. I have less of a problem with the "must be free" thing but I have to wonder how it affects legal liability. If some laws/rules are broken by using some software in some places (libdvdcss2 comes to mind) and someone decides to make an issue, what does that do to PCLinuxOS? I mean, people install those things on other distros (Ubuntu among them) so in the case of some violation it's the user who is responsible but if PCLinuxOS is including them and not paying whomever it is that insists on being paid, aren't they liable? (I'm all about run-on sentences) I really know very little about how violations of this nature work but it seems to me that just not including the offending pieces resolves any potential issues. I do have other issues with PCLinuxOS as well but those are more of a preference nature (i.e. KDE vs. Gnome). The proprietary software issue though, is enough to make me step back a bit. |
| devnet Sep 14, 2006 9:01 AM EDT |
Quoting:Devnet, your real gripe seems to be the fact that Ubuntu is the most popular distro on the planetNope...just that Ubuntu isn't the easiest distro for new users. That's it...that's my only gripe. Everyone portrays it that way and it just isn't so. I don't mind if it's popular...I don't mind if it's #1. I do mind when people make it look to be the one ring. It won't solve all the worlds problems and promote distro peace...it's good for those of us that have used linux in the past, just not as good as other distros for new users. Quoting:If some laws/rules are broken by using some software in some places (libdvdcss2 comes to mind)Most are not installed by default. They were for .92 but for .93 series, they're installable in a few clicks. You should note that there aren't ATI or Nvidia version for .93 either. They're also available in Synaptic Installs. So, people may have had trouble with them in the past with licensing issues, but not anymore. Java is installed by default but it's able to be now since the license re-write and redistribution of java. So, step back no more :D Use freely! The distro was only a year old at .92 version so the dev is learning as he goes along. |
| Libervis Sep 14, 2006 9:05 AM EDT |
Can I not install Java, Flash and Skype? I think I saw those too in .92. I want only Free Software. ;) These days I actually am looking at some more user friendly alternatives to Arch which I've been using for quite a while now. Maybe if I can get a fully Free system with it, I could try PLOS again. Thanks |
| tuxchick2 Sep 14, 2006 9:13 AM EDT |
While I agree with devnet that the rampant Ubuntu buzz long ago crossed the line into TiresomeLand, there is a remedy on LXer: POST SOME OTHER STORIES. Or write some nice features. Don't just complain. |
| jimf Sep 14, 2006 9:14 AM EDT |
Libervis, With your experience, why are you not running Debian? |
| devnet Sep 14, 2006 9:18 AM EDT |
Quoting:Can I not install Java, Flash and Skype? I think I saw those too in .92.Just like you have the choice to install them, you also have the choice to uninstall them. Plus, if you'd like, since it's made on the mklivecd berlios project...you can remaster the 'free' version and release it as FLOSS. Texstar would be more than happy to add that :D Plus, if you would like to give it a go, you can start the project on http://mypclinuxos.com which is my website for hosting community projects...they're creating an education server and desktop currently...a FLOSS version sounds good too! For remastering info (it's VERY easy) try: http://tinyurl.com/kdw7v Quoting:POST SOME OTHER STORIES. Or write some nice features. Don't just complain.Hey! I did write one the other day and posted it. I'm not a machine! What do you want from me! I'm only human! ;P |
| tuxchick2 Sep 14, 2006 9:28 AM EDT |
devnet, you did indeed. The anti-Ubuntu complaining is still tiresome. :) I would prefer more PCLinuxOS stories- if I'm not mistaken there's a fair amount of good content on your blog that has not been linked to LXer. Posting a link when new issues of PCLinuxOS Magazine comes out would be good too. Maybe I'm being overprotective, but I know how hard the LXer staff work, so I'm not real patient with griping about LXer content. Especially when reader contributions are encouraged. |
| jimf Sep 14, 2006 10:38 AM EDT |
> The anti-Ubuntu complaining is still tiresome. I wouldn't call it that, but i would call it counter productive. Tuxchick is right, a positive approach is the most effective 'defense' :) |
| SFN Sep 14, 2006 10:46 AM EDT |
Quoting:Most are not installed by default. They were for .92 but for .93 series, they're installable in a few clicks. You should note that there aren't ATI or Nvidia version for .93 either. They're also available in Synaptic Installs. That is definitely interesting to note. But if those things are not available without interaction from the user, what is it that makes PCLinuxOS easier? |
| helios Sep 14, 2006 10:47 AM EDT |
OK, just one more time to rankle particular skeletal coverings....all in good nature of course. UBUNTU ISN'T THE CURE FOR POLIO OR WHOOPING COUGH OR, ...or...shoot...I seem to have run out of gas now. I'll flame the future Ubuntu Fanboiz personally...fewer eyes means less restrictions on "expression" ;-) Can't help but hang with Devnet on this one though...these "Come To Ubuntu" Revivals get a bit old when one knows it is not all it is touted for. (Note to self...at least try to not end your sentences with a preposition. Children are watching) h |
| Libervis Sep 14, 2006 10:52 AM EDT |
Devnet:
Quoting:Just like you have the choice to install them, you also have the choice to uninstall them. I'd prefer not to install. :) Quoting:Plus, if you'd like, since it's made on the mklivecd berlios project...you can remaster the 'free' version and release it as FLOSS. Texstar would be more than happy to add that :D That would be cool if I had a faster and cheaper upload connection. At this point I can hardly upload whole isos anywhere unfortunately. But the idea is good, I'd support it if anyone would do it, especially if I like PCLinuxOS as a distro (regarding technical matters, not only Free Software, I'm kind of hard to please, probably spoiled by all the choice :P ) jimf: Quoting: With your experience, why are you not running Debian? Well, etch sounds good from what I've read on distrowatch weekly last monday, but will it include latest stable releases? So far even testing sometimes lacked behind those and I like to have the latest stuff.. |
| tuxchick2 Sep 14, 2006 10:56 AM EDT |
helios, I'm living proof that Kubuntu cures hay fever. I haven't sneezed in months. |
| SFN Sep 14, 2006 11:06 AM EDT |
Quoting:Well, etch sounds good from what I've read on distrowatch weekly last monday, but will it include latest stable releases? So far even testing sometimes lacked behind those and I like to have the latest stuff.. I moved one of my personal machines from Ubuntu to Debian because I do video editing on it. One of the tools I use is kino and both it and a number of its requireds are newer on Debian Testing than Ubuntu. For other things, Ubuntu packages are newer. It's one of those "best tool for the job" situations. |
| jimf Sep 14, 2006 11:24 AM EDT |
> Well, etch sounds good from what I've read on distrowatch weekly last monday, but will it include latest stable releases? So far even testing sometimes lacked behind those and I like to have the latest stuff.. I run a very mixed repo desktop. Everything from stable to experimental. Just add the desired repos. With a little care, the help of synaptic, and apt-listbugs, it's not hard to do for a given machine. The result is far more stable than the live distros who have to make it work for everyone. |
| devnet Sep 14, 2006 12:53 PM EDT |
Quoting:what is it that makes PCLinuxOS easier?detection, PCC (PCLinuxOS Control Center), Variety of Kernels to choose from, Great documentation, any package you want...hit the forum and ask...generally takes about 3-4 days and you've got it (I got blogbridge in 2!). I've been using Linux since 1995 when I found Slackware. There's only two distros I've found that I gave my 100% to and those are MEPIS and PCLinuxOS. Of course, MEPIS had a "special way" about it which made me leave...I've been with PCLOS ever since. What I think of is this: srlinuxx at Tuxmachines.org has a few distros she keeps on her main computers. Gentoo is one. So is PCLinuxOS. There's a reason for that :D |
| jdixon Sep 14, 2006 1:35 PM EDT |
> There's only two distros I've found that I gave my 100% to and those are MEPIS and PCLinuxOS. There's a review site (the name escapes me at the moment) where they review distributions for home/newbie use. The top three when I checked it were PCLinuxOS, Mepis, and Blag. I've never checked out Blag, but given their recommendation of the other two, you may want to take a look at it. Of course, since I use Slackware, all of this is beneath me. :) (Though I do need to take a look at Zenwalk some time). |
| dcparris Sep 14, 2006 2:57 PM EDT |
TC:
> helios, I'm living proof that Kubuntu cures hay fever. I haven't sneezed in months. That isn't because you're afraid to, is it? :-D |
| Libervis Sep 14, 2006 3:11 PM EDT |
I think I'll try Debian etch. There's enough incentive for me to drop Ubuntu from my test partitions and try something else and so far Debian etch seems most interesting. It's the old daddy that is apparently getting seriously cool lately. :)Quoting:The top three when I checked it were PCLinuxOS, Mepis, and Blag. Both PCLinuxOS and Mepis apparently have an "easygoing" policy towards proprietary software. I guess I might give PLOS a chance if I run out of options, but no Mepis. I don't like Warren's bit*ing attitude towards everything FSF/GPL either. I would strongly recommend BLAG though! Not only that it is a fully Free Software distribution (even endorsed by FSF), but it is very good and polished. It's actually based on Fedora Core and follows Fedora releases, but is on one convenient CD. It is also very fast, actually faster than Ubuntu from what I've seen. I am also hearing from a friend on our forums that Fedora Core 6 will be available for normal install on one CD as well (so you wont *need* to download any more CDs) and will also contain only Free Software which I really welcome. Looking at FC based BLAG and the promise of FC6 I think Fedora has a very big potential, and it may even earn an FSF endorsement due to the recent efforts of ridding it off proprietary stuff. They've actually been working with FSF on this from what I hear. |
| jdixon Sep 14, 2006 4:59 PM EDT |
Doing some quick googling (hey, I didn't capitalize it), it appears that the reveiw site was http://www.homedistro.com, but that it's now a completely different site. Some of the articles are still buried there, but the home page isn't. |
| Libervis Sep 14, 2006 5:28 PM EDT |
Oh that site doesn't seem to be about GNU/Linux anymore. It looks like just an ad holder... |
| jdixon Sep 14, 2006 6:19 PM EDT |
> It looks like just an ad holder... The home page is, but some of the old articles and reviews are apparently still buried under the subfolders, so you can tell it was there at one time. A quick google on homedistro will give you some of the deeper links. |
| Libervis Sep 15, 2006 7:50 AM EDT |
Ok found it: http://www.homedistro.com/reviews.html |
| JackieBrown Sep 15, 2006 8:09 PM EDT |
I got tired of the Ubuntu is gold articles as well devnet. Seems every distro is compared to it and fails for reasons I cannot relate. I do not see the difference between it and Debian Etch and Sid with the expection of older packages in Ubuntu for the most part. |
| dinotrac Sep 16, 2006 3:07 AM EDT |
JackieBrown -- >I do not see the difference between it and Debian Etch and Sid What's wrong with you? It's Ubuntu!!!! It rhymes with "two by two". That makes it almost biblical. It's lyrical, it's poetic: Why won't you Tie my shoe, Ubuntu? Backwards, it's Utnubu, instead of Hcte. Not quite as good, but you can still put it in the same rhyme. Try doing that with etch!! Besides, it's Ubuntu!!!! Need I mention, Oprah-Uma, Uma-Oprah, Ubuntu? It's Ubuntu!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope that clarifies things for you. |
| JackieBrown Sep 16, 2006 5:28 AM EDT |
I see more clearly now. That was better than all the articles I have read lately :) I will now sing the Utnubu praises!! |
| theboomboomcars Sep 16, 2006 7:17 AM EDT |
>Libervis: Can I not install Java, Flash and Skype? I think I saw those too in .92. I thought I would give the making a free PCLinuxOS iso a shot so I downloaded and installed .93 minime to do, but none of those packages are installed. Is there anything else I should look for? If not there is no need, .93 minime is already free. |
| Libervis Sep 16, 2006 8:01 AM EDT |
JackieBrown:Quoting:I do not see the difference between it and Debian Etch and Sid with the expection of older packages in Ubuntu for the most part. I don't consider myself an Ubuntu fan and I don't even use it, but there is a big difference between anything debian and Ubuntu and I was able to verify that just these days. Etch may be quite user friendly once completely installed, but to get going with it you need how many CDs to start with? More than one or even two for sure. If you instead go with only one you'll get a minimal base system without desktop and have to figure out what apt-get sources you have to add yourself to get the rest. Most newbies will be stuck as soon as they boot in such a system and I think an increasing number of people will just choose one-CD Ubuntu over Debian. So that comparison really doesn't hold. Ubuntu is still better than Debian in terms of newbie friendliness. Sure, PCLinuxOS probably is too, but you compared to Debian.. theboomboomcars, good to hear that. I am downloading Fedora Core 6 Test1 now and if I don't like that I might give PLOS a try afterall. Thanks |
| jdixon Sep 16, 2006 11:41 AM EDT |
First, let me preface this by noting that I am not a Debian user. > Etch may be quite user friendly once completely installed, but to get going with it you need how many CDs to start with? If you have a broadband connection, the netinst CD should work fine. If you're on dailup, you'll want multiple CD's, yes. > If you instead go with only one you'll get a minimal base system without desktop... This wasn't true for the netinst disk I tried a week or so ago, but that might have been Sarge. I can't find it now to check. :( It intalled a fairly complete Gnome desktop, so I'm not sure this complaint is valid anymore. Debian still isn't my cup of tea. Trying to figure out how to get Flash installed was way too much trouble, and I never did bother getting Java installed or a Citrix client, it just didn't look like it was worth it (this was for work compatability, I'm hoping to be able to replace some old Windows NT 4.0 installations with Linux). I'll try Slackware 11 when it comes out; I know how to do Flash and Citrix on it, and the Sun JRE is included in the packages. |
| jdixon Sep 16, 2006 11:46 AM EDT |
> I might give PLOS a try afterall. Note that he's referring to the MiniMe edition. The Big Daddy and Junior editions may include things you don't want. |
| dinotrac Sep 16, 2006 11:48 AM EDT |
Psst --- Libervis and BoomBoomCars.... UUBBUUNNTTUU!!!!!!!! It's UBUNTU!! UBUNTU! Don't you get it? UBUNTU!!!!! |
| theboomboomcars Sep 16, 2006 2:40 PM EDT |
dino I sing the ubuntu praises every day. I tried PCLinuxOs but it had weird cropping problems with my scanner and ubuntu didn't so I continued to use Ubuntu. But PCLinux was very nice besides and I would recommend it for someone who wants an easy to use distro. |
| dinotrac Sep 16, 2006 2:47 PM EDT |
All - I'm guessing UBUNTU!!! is really nice, but, being old, fat, and full of inertia, I'll probably stick with SuSE until it pisses me off enough to switch. Started off (very happily) with Debian when FVWM was about as sexy as X got. Then came KDE beta 0.something or the other and I got hooked. Still use KDE (that old inertia thing), but left Debian when they got in a snit over KDE (or, more specifically, QT) and it became to hard to keep my unstable setup working properly. That was in the days before test when you simply could not run a reasonable desktop without using unstable. |
| JackieBrown Sep 16, 2006 4:30 PM EDT |
"If you instead go with only one you'll get a minimal base system without desktop..." I would rather get "netinst CD image (100-150 MB)" http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/... I guess choosing desktop when you get to the package choices (which is chosen by default) is to difficult for Ubuntu users. I usually choose nothing there since I know what I want and don't want, but if I didn't I would chose that and be set. Heck, you don't even need a large cd "businesscard CD image (20-50 MB)" http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/... And if you have a slow connection you can go to a friends house and download the 3 dvds http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-dvd... and not have to worry about installing large packages that did not come on your cd. In fact, the new installer even has a gui. Juest type DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gtk (if you forget gress f1 or f2 for help) I don't understand how easy people want it. |
| Libervis Sep 17, 2006 4:12 PM EDT |
I forgot about netinstall in my last post. Yes that works quite well for people with supported connections. I have a sort of fast connection (384kbps), but it is quite exotic (SatADSL for download only and using EDGE modem for upload - only thing faster than dial up that I could get in this "middle of nowhere" village in Croatia) so that doesn't work for me on netinstall. I could order CDs from a local GNU/Linux CD vendor though if I really wanted Debian, but I find getting all of those CDs or all full DVDs kind of a waste. I am sure I wont need all those packages. The first two CDs should be enough for me and I can apt-get the rest on my own once I'm all set. All this is OK, but still doesn't beat Ubuntu's "one cd and you're ready to go" story. ;) However I probably wont be using Ubuntu either, except maybe when etch comes out and Ubuntu-libre project gets started. ;) I'm hoping to get with FC6 (had some bad luck with isos these days so gotta try again). Thanks Danijel |
| salparadise Sep 18, 2006 5:41 AM EDT |
BLAG Blag is uber-cool. Recommended by RMS (apparently). It has a very political bookmark list in the browser with a LOT of sites marked. If you're into politics and particularly left leaning social politics then Blag may be for you. It's based on Fedora, but you can't have everything can you? |
| dek Sep 18, 2006 7:13 AM EDT |
>> If you're into politics and particularly left leaning social politics then Blag may be for you. ALLRIGHT!! ;-) |
| cheshire137 Sep 18, 2006 9:18 AM EDT |
jimf: "With your experience, why are you not running Debian?" I used Debian as my main operating system from 2000 up through this year. I switched from Debian to Ubuntu *because* of my experience. Not to say that Debian isn't a wonderful distro (obviously it is, or I wouldn't have used it for six years), but that I found Ubuntu to be easier on me and more suited to what I want. |
| jimf Sep 18, 2006 9:32 AM EDT |
> cheshire137 I was speaking to Libervis. Though my conversations with him, I thought Debian would be appropriate. I have no Idea what would be appropriate to you. Ubuntu may indeed suit you. |
| Bob_Robertson Sep 18, 2006 11:15 AM EDT |
Devnet, "I've been using Linux since 1995 when I found Slackware." 1995 is when I first "found" Debian. I went with it because of the "community development" model, and every time I try another distribution, I either get bored (RedHat) or I can't update it without it becoming more unstable than Debian "unstable" ever is. So I come back to Debian. I've been keeping a Knoppix disk around for rescue since I discovered Knoppix, what do other people use? |
| jdixon Sep 18, 2006 11:28 AM EDT |
> what do other people use? Knoppix, RIP (http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/), and Trinity (http://trinityhome.org/Home/index.php?wpid=1&front_id=12) at various times. RIP is best for those times you need a quick command line utility, Trinity is in-between, and Knoppix is best for when you need a full blown system with GUI. |
| Bob_Robertson Sep 18, 2006 11:35 AM EDT |
On the "Debian is HUGE" concept... Yes, two CDs would be a pretty full desktop machine, or just the first DVD. Debian has been using a package called "popularity contest" to find out what people actually have installed and are using. They're using this to compile the .ISO images in order of use, so disk 1 will be the install, required, then most used packages, disk two the not quite so used packages, etc. CD#1 is enough for a working KDE or Gnome (or twm, or IceWM, etc) desktop, or server. And with a CD or DVDs worth of packages already, it will be less difficult on a slow 'Net connection. Just get the system installed, run dselect, aptitude or tasksel, then switch consoles and play nethack while the download occurs. Or even spend time with the S.O., sleep, go to work, whatever. If you're on a slow network connection, then of course go with the full CD or DVD, but my experience with both the 30MB and 150MB "net install" disks is quite favorable. Both will build a working machine without being connected to the 'Net, if you want to do stuff offline first then connect when you're ready. The 30MB minimalist Bootable Business Card doesn't _like_ not being connected to the net, but it makes for the most interesting installation. I understand people being worried about hand-editing things like /etc/apt/sources.list. What balances the equation for me is that the default Debian repositories have _almost_ everything, so it's only when I'm finally in a position to put things like mplayer, transcode, libdvdcss and such on the machine that I even have to consider doing it. Up? Running? Ok, now I can relax and play. |
| jimf Sep 18, 2006 11:57 AM EDT |
Bob, Most of us using KDE on Debian testing are now just getting the first CD of the full set and installing the base system. Then 'apt-get install kdm, kde, synaptic' will get you a working KDE desktop. One can easly modify from that point. I may be wrong, but I think some of the 64bit stuff is on the 2nd CD, so some may want to burn that too. |
| Sander_Marechal Sep 19, 2006 3:45 AM EDT |
> Backwards, it's Utnubu, instead of Hcte. Not quite as good, but you can still put it in the same rhyme. Try doing that with etch!! Hehe :-) You realize Utnubu is a real project, right? Utnubu is the team that takes care of porting Ubuntu's changes back to Debian. Quite aptly named if you ask me :-) |
| JackieBrown Sep 19, 2006 4:04 AM EDT |
And from what I read it works like this: We made x thousand changes to x thousand packages. Ok, open one email; attach all in no particualar order. Send Well done!! Hope that helps you Debian guys. |
| Bob_Robertson Sep 20, 2006 12:37 PM EDT |
JimF, yesterday I found myself re-installing Debian (shock, horror!) because I wanted to take a server from stable to unstable, and I figured I might as well give the new installer for Etch a try (since I've been using a Woody business-card as the boot-strap for several years). What shocked me is that the installer failed when GRUB tried to write the MBR. Here I thought something that basic had been solved "since the beginning" (said in a quavering Vulcan voice). I went back to Stable and the 120MB Net install, and everything went perfectly. Strange. |
| salparadise Sep 20, 2006 1:05 PM EDT |
Interesting...
I installed Debian Etch t'other day using the old style text based/net installer and it also failed at Grub install. This did not happen when I installed Etch a month or so ago.
I just told it to install lilo instead and all was OK. I haven't seen the new installer yet so don't know if you can go back and opt for lilo instead should grub fail. |
| jimf Sep 20, 2006 1:43 PM EDT |
> installer failed when GRUB tried to write the MBR Ah... sorry guys, I'm not doubting you, but, I've never had that happen with the etch text install. Grub itself was having problem with one of the earlier 2.6.12 (?) kernels, but the default kernel is well behond that. There is a known) glitch if one tries to write to 'other than' the mbr. It may fail to install the first time round, but it then throws you back to the menu, and installs on the second try. Ah, Ok, the bug is reported here. http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse... |
| chrissy2006 Sep 20, 2006 8:46 PM EDT |
welcome to the world of fame and popularity! i know, i know that talks, articles or news about ubuntu or linux is quite over-expossed. it is a marketing strategy. the more it is over-expossed the more it is being talked about. that's just how it is. sooner or later it would die down eventually. and when it dies we can all stop whinning. [ed: links removed] |
| jimf Sep 20, 2006 10:09 PM EDT |
Ok, that's just BS SPAM |
| dinotrac Sep 21, 2006 3:03 AM EDT |
jimf - Yep. Getting trickier. Kind of clever, though. Put together a few generic linux posts, then put them out on Linux fora hoping somebody thinks your stuff comes from a person. |
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