Or Ubuntu
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| Author | Content |
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| Tracer May 11, 2006 8:44 PM EDT |
Leading distributions like Debian or Fedora Core. Um, those are leading distros still? Who's /NOT/ using Ubuntu? :) |
| tuxchick2 May 11, 2006 8:49 PM EDT |
It's pretty nit-picky. Both Debian and Fedora make it very easy to exclude non-free packages by putting them in separate repositories. And, unlike Ututo-e, they work well. |
| jimf May 11, 2006 8:54 PM EDT |
>Who's /NOT/ using Ubuntu? :) People who are not first time users. |
| salparadise May 11, 2006 10:50 PM EDT |
Linux, it seems, is a bit like religion. You have everything from small minority churches with odd ideas all the way to global hyper-congregations. Everything from fiery prophets who preach abstinence through to vaguely convinced laymen who tinker. One phrase from one of the new global priests troubles me... "self appointed benevolent dictator for life" Somehow, all my brain sees is "self appointed dictator", at which point hackles rise, reactions bristle and alarm bells ring. |
| jimf May 11, 2006 11:07 PM EDT |
Certainly raised mine :D |
| r_a_trip May 12, 2006 12:15 AM EDT |
>Who's /NOT/ using Ubuntu? :) People who are not first time users. While this may be true due to preferences and familiarity with other Distro's under seasoned users, it implies that Ubuntu is only attracting unknowledgable newbies. It is true that Ubuntu has attracted a lot of switchers, but that is only half the picture. Ubuntu is quite usable for seasoned users too. Ubuntu is a nice, no hassle desktop distribution. It inherited its excellent software management from Debian. The core of Ubuntu is a nice, solid and bloat-free GNU/Linux system. Its GUI is a nice place to work in. A lot of effort is put in to make the Gnome desktop powerful for everybody without getting in the way. The GUI is very newbie friendly, but a full fledged GNU/Linux system is lurking under the surface, just one terminal instance away. How Ubuntu would fare on a server? I don't know. We'll find out with Ubuntu 6.06, Dapper Drake. On the desktop, Ubuntu is a very nice addition to the Free Software ecosystem. Ubuntu, to me, is a Godsend. I can mangle it to my tastes and needs on my own machine and my mom can rest assured she can surf the web, listen to Internet radio and read and write her e-mails without being bothered by malware. It really is the best of both worlds. Don't knock Ubuntu, because it has a large following of those obnoxious newcomers. Remember, we were obnoxious newcomers ourselves once and right now we are those obnoxious old-timers, with our "irrelevant" ideas about Software Freedom. These newcomers will learn in time, no need to nip them in the bud. |
| jimf May 12, 2006 12:53 AM EDT |
>Don't knock Ubuntu, because it has a large following of those obnoxious newcomers. Remember, we were obnoxious newcomers ourselves once and right now we are those obnoxious old-timers, with our "irrelevant" ideas about Software Freedom. These newcomers will learn in time, no need to nip them in the bud. Sorry, but that level of arogance is uncalled for. I may have been a newcomer at one point, but never with that level of ignorance and disrespect. Ubuntu itself is fine, but many of its users are far from masters of the universe. |
| number6x May 12, 2006 3:37 AM EDT |
I keep trying Ubuntu/Kubuntu but it has always been pretty frustrating getting it to work on my hardware. (AMD64 3200, 1GB ram, sata 120 gb, sb live, nvidia geoforce 5200) Trying to figure out where to change settings, when to use gui's v. when to try the debian way. I should say I've been using debian since 1999, and suse since 1997. I find plain vanilla debian easier to install and configure than Ubuntu. I know thats because i already know how to set things up there, but I have never found Ubuntu intuitive. Nice helpfull user community though. Libranet was still the easiest new user distro ever created. Mepis and Ubuntu could learn a lot from it. Ubuntu has gotten better with each release, but they need to gather the configuration stuff into one place. So far the solution for any problem seems to be "search the ubuntu user forums, try each suggested solution, until you find the one that works". |
| devnet May 12, 2006 4:41 AM EDT |
I also think Ubuntu is a far cry from 'the best' for new Linux users. I say new Linux users because these are the people that distros should be designing themselves for. When you design for this target group, you'll cover all target groups. SimplyMEPIS found this out. PCLinuxOS found this out. Kanotix found this out. They all do it and do it well. Ubuntu hasn't done it yet and won't do it for reasons most of us know. Too bad...it's really a pretty solid distro. Whenever I am recruiting new users though I don't give them Ubuntu I can tell you that...because I want everything to work right out of the box, I give them PCLinuxOS. Nothing is more embarassing than having them browse the web and a webpage with java doesn't work. For many people, they quit right then and there. PCLinuxOS allows this to not be an issue as do the other distros I mentioned above. |
| helios May 12, 2006 2:03 PM EDT |
the web and a webpage with java doesn't work..... As in movie trailers, flash and java progies, mp3 files, wma files, 3d graphics and correct sound rendering. In an act of pure ignorance and done with haste, I gave a friend an Ubuntu 5.10 live cd and said something like, "here...this is what you need." Once we were on speaking terms again, I explained that all Linux distros were not the same and gave him the nvidia pclos live cd. Once installed, I haven't heard a word from him. I personally find Ubuntu wonderful, but I know how to do the repository dance and video driver incantation, prayer and ritualistic sacrificing of a newt on a virgin stone alter. I should have known better than to give it to a new linux user. They have NO idea of where to obtain a newt. |
| grouch May 12, 2006 2:14 PM EDT |
>"I personally find Ubuntu wonderful, but I know how to do the repository dance and video driver incantation, prayer and ritualistic sacrificing of a newt on a virgin stone alter. I should have known better than to give it to a new linux user." Newt? I thought burning a mummified rat was the proper ceremony. No wonder I can't get OpenGL to work on this thing. Generally, if it's someone I'm going to be seeing in person regularly, I give them Knoppix and Mepis and wait to see what they like and what they need. There are still weirdohs in the world just like me who are happy to avoid Flash and Java completely. There are also a lot of people who don't care a bit about having 5 baschnillion frames per second 3d graphics. After they've had a chance to fiddle with it a while, they can usually give pretty good descriptions of what they don't like or would like to have added. |
| devnet May 12, 2006 2:36 PM EDT |
"There are also a lot of people who don't care a bit about having 5 baschnillion frames per second 3d graphics" Hey! Who get's 5 bashnillion? I only get 3 baschnillion...who does a guy have to pay around here? |
| grouch May 12, 2006 2:46 PM EDT |
devnet: Me! Pay me! Small, unmarked bills, please. I like Ben Franklin's photo on U.S. currency. Just match your weight and I'll send you the secret squirrel and stump ritual instructions. Limited time offer, void where prohibited, no returns, no refunds, no guarantees, not responsible for moldy cheese. |
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