HP is confused...

Story: HP to ship Ubuntu PCs, serious about LinuxTotal Replies: 4
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jaiva

Sep 10, 2005
6:19 AM EDT
I don't know what there state of mind is one place HP/IBM etc show how much they love Linux on other side, we see daily ads from these ppl in the newspaper showing in bold font "HP/IBM recommends M$ winblows for bussiness", this is of course harmful to Linux.
Abe

Sep 10, 2005
7:30 AM EDT
Not as harmful as not offering it at all. See my other post under the 1st thread. We have to be realistic and appreciative to situations. Companies (officers and share holders) have their purpose and responsibilities, they are not individuals who have the freedom to take risks.
dinotrac

Sep 10, 2005
8:12 AM EDT
Abe -

The other side of that is, sometimes and for some things, Windows XP is a decent recommendation. Last year I had to bite my tongue and grimace while I installed XP Pro on my wife's notebook. Except for client-owned loaners, it was the first Windows computer in our house and on our net since 1998. Trouble is, she needed some specialized software for her business that couldn't be coerced to work without it.

Sometimes life sucks, but the alternative is worse.
Abe

Sep 10, 2005
11:13 AM EDT
I experienced the same at home and at work.

At home we have 3 desktops and one laptop. My desktop came with Linux; the other two I worked hard on my wife and younger kids to get them converted to linux. My kids and wife now don't even want to see Windows. I run Suse by the way. The laptop, which my oldest daughter uses for college, I just couldn't because not only they don't support Linux, they don't even allow it on their network. Duel boot was not practical but she does use FireFox and OpenOffice instead. I wasn't going to fetch $200 for useless MS Office.

I work for a oil company. I manage and support Advanced Process Control applications. They run VMS on Alpha workstations. I don't recall any issues for the last 9 years since they were upgraded from VAX hardware. Couple years ago, we started thinking about the future path since VMS is going away (hasn't yet, it is still being used quite a bit for many critical manufacturing applications). Well, the vendor (Honeywell and others) decided to base there systems and instrumentation on Windows. Not much choice here. Any how, we are still trying to figure a way to make Windows as secure enough as VMS. You wont imagine the extra cost involved in terms of network isolation yet keeping communication available for engineers and technical people without losing any functionality, applications interfaces, and data acquisition. The company is MS committed to the point that, an application we use runs on Windows with IIS. The vendor moved their newer versions, believe it or not, to Linux and Apache server. My company delayed the upgrades to latest version because Linux is not in the standard (some PHB). That was happening for while, now things are changing.

Without going into details, there is a need to upgrade some major instrumentation. The applications they preferred and like runs on Linux (yes!) so things are starting to change. The other application that is on hold for upgrade, it is getting critical and needs to be upgraded. Oracle support and commitment to Linux is starting to have an influence. Yes, it will take time, but things are starting to happen, at least in my corner of the world.
dinotrac

Sep 10, 2005
4:47 PM EDT
Abe --

Sounds encouraging. I'm aware of at least one case of a corporate customer refusing to take a Windows version of a major product, preferring to wait for the promised Linux version.

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